“You either retire as an GOAT, or you fight long enough to end up as a greedy belly”

Marciano fought LHWs Usyk fought SHWs that's the difference regardless of rankings. Hell Marciano ducked the only opponent who was a legit HW of his time (Valdez) i wonder why........

 

Erm, no, I'm not comparing the sports at all. I'm comparing the reactions to underachieving and reframing it as success. Sorry if that was not clear. Peace and love always, Px

 

But you just said older HWs should be ranked as HWs because they were HWs at the time. So either he's a heavyweight who can be compared to other heavyweights across eras or size differences between eras matter. You can't use "he was a heavyweight for his era" to credit him and then use "he was only 185 pounds" to shield him from comparison. Pick one.

Fighters can decline overnight or have bad performances. He clearly wasn't the same fighter in this one compared to his last. Whether it's age or lack of preparation remains to be seen based on how he looks in his next fight. But saying his entire legacy is tainted over one bad performance in a fight he won is a huge overreaction. Ali lost to Spinks. Tyson lost to Douglas. One fight doesn't rewrite a career.

And you keep ignoring the context. He's 39, his country is literally being bombed while he's fighting, and his opponent was preparing for almost a year specifically for him. You'd consider those factors for any other fighter. Do the same here.

 

There was never a weight limit on the heavyweight division

 

I am talking about his resume IN HIS TIME, you low IQ f@g. Heavyweights were smaller back then. Marciano had a far better 6th title defense than Usyk. He beat the #1 contender, while Usyk fought an unranked kickboxer with one professional boxing fight.

This wasn't supposed to be competitive; it was supposed to be a clown show set up by Turki, who doesn't know anything about boxing. Still, Usyk looked sh*t in there; he had 10 months to recover and train, and no one forced him to fight; he should have retired after Fury II. Instead, he ruins the heavyweight division, and his lecay, by ducking mandatories, being inactive, and fighting gimmick fights where he looks bad, no different than Fury.

Also, Valdes vs. Marciano was scheduled for February 1955, but it fell through. Marciano wasn't scared of him and wasn't ducking him. However, Valdes was overrated. He lost three title eliminators and lost all of them.

 

If the war and bombing in his country are affecting him that much, then he should retire and vacate the titles. I doubt that is the case, though, considering he lives across the ocean from Ukraine with his family in a mansion, hahahahha .

 

His children were literally in a bomb shelter as he was fighting

 

The Japanese wrestler was allowed to kick though.

 

And yet he didn't fight him after he beat Charles but foughr Charles twice despite Charles losing to Valdez. I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

 

Archie Moore kicked Valdes' ass twice, which is what earned him a shot in the 6th title defense of Marciano's career.

What exactly has Rico done to earn a title shot before Kabayel? Usyk clearly doesn't want the Kabayel fight; you could see it in the face-off.

Usyk's 6th title defense is sh*t. I don't care who wins head-to-head. Usyk fanboys only have the H2H argument over model champions who fought often and consistently faced the top contenders available.

 

Hahaha, I don't believe that for a second. In my opinion, it was a fake speech from Usyk. If it is true, then Usyk, who has all the resources in the world to relocate his daughter to a safer country, chose not to. That would make him the worst father in the world if his family were genuinely being left in a war zone while he trains in Budapest and does clown events with Turki in Giza.

 

Beating bigger, stronger, faster heavyweights in 2025 is more impressive than racking up wins against 180 lb guys from the 50s who fought every 3 months. That's real life not the era-vacuum where size magically doesn't count.

 

How so? Usyk is faster than almost every heavyweight he faces. He has fast hands, better feet, a good chin, and decent power. He also has multiple physical advantages over many of his opponents. It's the heavyweight division. I don't give out brownie points because Usyk beat tall, burly men. Uysk is 230 pounds and 6'3, not a "David" by any means. Holyfield, at 46 years old, beat Valuev despite having even greater physical disadvantages than Usyk usually faces, yet he doesn't seem to get the same credit for it. Marcio also had more physical disadvantages than Uysk. Also, I just told you to stop bringing up H2H; according to your logic, it is natural for fighters to get better, so why is it impressive for Usyk to beat better modern fighters when he is a better modern fighter himself? In fifty years, do you think accomplishments just vanish because he is "garbage" compared to the superior modern fighters?

Also, heavyweights being faster than 180-pounders is news to me. Not so shocking opinion from a guy who fell for that fake, Jussie Smollett, acting in Uysk's "victory" speech.

 

No he was stopped because Usyk was using him like a pinata keep crying.. another giant battered