Who should clean Usyk's mess?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Babality, May 24, 2026.


Who does the job?

  1. AJ

    27 vote(s)
    45.8%
  2. Itauma

    12 vote(s)
    20.3%
  3. Dubois

    4 vote(s)
    6.8%
  4. Ajabga

    3 vote(s)
    5.1%
  5. Zhang

    8 vote(s)
    13.6%
  6. Other

    5 vote(s)
    8.5%
  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    As said, there isn't a mess to clean up and if you have created a mess you clean it up yourself and Turki said he wants Usyk to rematch Rico after fighting Kabayel.

    People hoping that another boxer goes and beats Rico to exact revenge on behalf of the sport when Usyk won the fight, dropped and badly hurt him multiple times, and knocked him silly and stopped him and would've knocked him out had the ref not given him 29 seconds to recover after he deliberately spat his gumshield out which he should've had a point deducted for

    On his worst night at 39 y/o when well past his prime and at soft and very sluggish career highest weight with a tubby belly and slower and stiffer than ever before Usyk knocked kickboxing's undisputed 12 year reign HW champion senseless and stopped him, The Baddest Man on the Planet in their eyes, who is an absolute giant of a man who walks around at 275lbs and was ripped 258lbs colossus with no fat on him at all.

    And the controversy re. the stoppage slightly after the bell which the ref said he didn't hear and Peter Fury also said he didn't hear either should never have even got to that point because Rico was 100% getting knocked out had the ref even only given him a few less seconds to recover, let alone 5-10 less and he was still badly hurt after all that time and had Usyk been allowed to set about him sooner Rico would've been in even worse shape than he already was when Usyk did so and he was in no position to defend himself after his extended recovery break

    And the fact that kickboxers and MMA fighters are the ones who crossover into our sport the vast majority of the time and so few of our boys and girls are willing to cross over into theirs already makes our sport look bad and like an inferior martial art.
     
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  2. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If boxing has any integrity they should call this a NC and Usyk should clean the mess up himself in the rematch.

    The ref stuffed up.. if you actually watch it the bell rings and Usyk still lands 2 or 3 shots.. you simply can't stop the fight after the bell when the hurt fighter should have been handily up.
     
  3. Drago

    Drago Member Full Member

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    One round is a bit too harsh. Guys like Francois Botha or Mike Bernardo proved the contrary. Sure they both didnt dominate the sport, but they did good. But I have to say of course Bernardo was very good prepared before he started at kickboxing, while Botha basically went over there without training.

    But Botha had this major upset win over Jerome Le Banner (that counter was great):

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    And he imo got jobbed by the Japanese K-1 judges in his second fight with Remy Bonjasky:

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    My scoring there was:
    1) 10-9 Botha
    2) 10-9 Botha
    3) 10-8 Bonjasky
    28:28 after three rounds, so extra round would have been needed.

    The K-1 bosses didnt want a boxer throwing the defending champion Bonjasky out of the final tournament, so they gave Remy the win after 3 rounds instead of a draw.

    Of course the boxing bosses also didnt have interest that Ngannou and Rico would have defeated T. Fury and Usyk, of course not.
     
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  4. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Rico is really not that good. He looked so basic. Usyk looked horrible and flattered him. AJ losing to Dubois isn't relevant because Dubois would wreck Rico.
     
  5. DubbleJab

    DubbleJab Member Full Member

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    It's not an "Inferior Martial Art"....MMA literally stands for "Mixed Martial Arts", it's all encompassing, meaning Boxing is included as a Martial Art. Many fighters who dominate their respective MMA weight class, do so, by being exceptionally strong at one from of Martial Art over another, such as Boxing/Striking compared to Grappling, or vice versa.

    The reason for the lack is crossover with boxers entering MMA is relatively simple.

    1. It pays significantly less.
    2. Boxers train in just one Martial Art, rather than many. So a boxer entering the octagon is metaphorically doing so with one arm tied behind their back hopping on one leg.

    MMA fighters train their striking skills, Boxers do not train their kicking/grappling etc.
     
  6. TowelThrower

    TowelThrower Y'all must've forgot Full Member

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    Yeah yeah. By any means necessary.
     
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  7. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joshua fans desperate for him to KO another mixed martial artist to rebuild the hype train.

    Little do they realize Rico is too spicy for current Joshua. They had to bail a guy out of an Albanian jail or something to find him an opponent.
     
  8. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Feed Rico to AJ. He’d savagely KO him in a round or two.
     
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  9. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    AJ couldn't beat Dubios, yet you expect him to put on a masterclass on a guy Usyk had difficulty with?

    Even considering
    The Usyk in there still wrecks AJ and Dubios because they're both lumbering stiff idiots with zero ability to adapt under pressure.

    They're not hard fighters to figure out compared to Usyk, and Peter Fury would craft a game plan for Rico to deal with each.
     
  10. slash

    slash Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let Usyk do it. He can do it.
     
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  11. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Fury is a harder fighter to figure out too and we all saw what happened vs Ngannou compared to AJ.

    What happened here is that both Rico and Ngannou were able to hang in there and deploy their plan because they were facing boxers that fight in a rhythm and don't have devastating power. Usyk was thrown off by Rico's goofy style.

    Rico would get mugged by Dubois. AJ might take a bit more time to time him perhaps.
     
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  12. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ngannou and Rico have two polar opposite styles, with Ngannou standing directly in front of AJ which got him sparked out.

    Dubios and AJ are too basic to mug anyone who doesn't stand in front of them all night. Rico would beat both and has more of them to study than the other way around.
     
  13. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Well I hope one of these fights happens. Agree to disagree. I like Rico, but I think he was flattered here.
     
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  14. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair play. I agree they would be good scraps too
     
  15. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Usyk can clean up his own "mess" by fighting again soon against Kabayel.
     
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