Marciano vs Roy Jones Jr at 190-95lbs?

Based on the actual footage we have available. Based on Jones' lightbulb chin and inability to suffer punishment ... the opposite of Marciano.

 

Walcott got better as he got older, that's obvious from his career and results. Is what hill I'm dying on? That a lineal heavyweight champion who beat ATGs and got robbed against the best heavyweight ever is a better heavyweight than Roy Jones? Yes.

All of Tarver's fearsomeness didn't help him much against Harding.

Charles by Marciano was about as past it as Jones was for Tarver - if not more - and did better than Jones did because he has something Jones didn't. A good chin.

 

Jones stamina is better than Marciano's, you can't do what Jones did without incredible stamina. The loss happened when Jones hit 35, why do you think someone as slow as Marciano can land on Jones before being knocked spark cold himself?

Guess what, when Marciano had the chance to face someone similar to Jones he turned down the fight time and again - Patterson

 

No it isn't because he kept losing. The last Charles fight was considered a gift decision too. So his form coming into Marciano is Layne - loss, Charles KO win, Charles robbery decision

Do you think Prime Jones loses to Layne? Loses to a past prime Charles?

Walcott isn't a HW post 1960s, he's a LHW who drains down to have success. He's the same

Tarver did lose to Harding and he also beat him. That with his arc, avenge the Harding fight, which was an amazing fight, lose to Jones and then beat him.

 

You seriously think Walcott wasn't better at 35 than he was at 25?

When did I say that? I mean, I can absolutely see HW Jones losing to both of those guys but I don't think Jones does nearly as well against Louis or Marciano.

If that's true - so?

Lol as if Walcott didn't have an 'arc'

 

At heavyweight? Really?

 

The contemporary writers saw Walcott as not someone who had improved but as someone who had outwaited the rest of the division and landed in an era devoid of talent.

 

That is completely untrue. Pattersons management predominantly waited until Marciano retired to enter the heavyweight division quickly arranging a bout with the second rated heavyweight contender. Patterson won and then was in position to fight number one rated Moore for the then vacant championship. Pattersons management wanted nothing to do with Marciano.

 

That’s bs because he was beating everyone mid 40s. Everyone had to wait for Louis to retire. Walcott had wins over Charles, Harold Johnson, Maxim, Bivins, Ray, etc. Many men who more than proved their worth later on.

 

San Francisco Chronicle, 11/30/47
"As a journeyman fighter (Walcott) who wants to stay in the business, he has learned to protect himself, even at the cost of displeasing the crowd."

Washington Evening Star, 12/6/47
"Joe Louis... today is wearing a tarnished crown which belongs on the fuzzy semibald head of Jersey Joe Walcott, 34-year old journeyman heavyweight and ebony-hued father of six children."

Plain Dealer 6/23/48
"(Walcott) only lately come to be recognized as a fair journeyman operator after 17 years of ring warfare."

Washington Evening Star 12/8/49
"Walcott doesn't have youth. He's older than Louis. Jersey Joe lacks the vicious, killing instinct which lifted Dempsey to the peak of popularity... He is, in short, a plodding journeyman heavyweight who had his night."

Burton Hawkins, Buffalo News, 7/30/48
(Walcott) He's a moderately talented, but extremely cautious- a 34-year old journeyman heavyweight who finds himself squarely in the championship picture strictly due to the mediocrity of his competition."

Milwaukee Journal, 6/22/48
"For Walcott is strictly a second rater, a journeyman boxer working at a trade."

Richmond Times Dispatch, 3/5/50
"The heavyweights are such a poor lot that a journeyman fighter (Walcott), who once quit the ring but came back to fight regularly, can make the No. 7 heavyweight look like a novice amateur scrapper."

Oregon Journal, 7/20/51
"His is a story- which for sheer drama- rivals that of another old man, Jim Braddock. The both hail from New Jersey and each was a journeyman for years without ever getting past first base in their race for fame and fortune."

Commercial Appeal, Memphis, 6/5/52
"Though he's an effective journeyman artilleryist, Walcott's style places heavy demands upon his legs as he jibs about in the manner of barefooted man on a sun-blasted tin roof."

 

First Jones had a glass chin. Secondly Jones had exactly one fight at heavyweight. One.
Third Jones never fought a 15 round distance.
Fourth Jones was a ROID user as per the Nevada boxing drug czar. Anyone ever read the Vegas boxing drug czars comments concerning Jones prior to his second bout with Tarver where he predicted Jones may not do well since stringent testing would preclude taking banned substances?

In Marciano he would be facing a universal top ten all time great heavyweight champion. One of heavyweight boxings strongest punchers.

Jones wins the first few rounds and then Marcianos swarming style takes over. First solid blow ends the bout around round 8.

 

Jones wasn't KO'd until an age at which Marciano was retired, shuttling briefcases of dildos across the country.

Against a guy who outweighed Marciano by 35 pounds. Jones fought plenty of heavies by 1950's standards.

His opponents weren't usually around after 6 rounds. And neither would Marciano be.

Not in my universe. Not in head to head context.

There are a dozen stronger punchers in the division at any time from 1980 onward. Rocky was a good, little attrition puncher in an era where cruisers played as heavies.

Fixed.

 

Imagine writing this stuff and then he wins the world heavyweight title a couple of years later. They sure knew their boxing

 

Yes we can go back in history and find unflattering quotes on just about all HW champs. Nothing you posted proved anything. Mans wins speak for themselves