Tyson Fury Vs Sonny Liston Trilogy ?

Fury is big, good, problematic.


I'd expect Liston to knock him out and for his victory to be definitive.

 

Liston by a brutal ko.

Fury can't throw combinations like Ali and doesn't have a fraction of his foot speed.

Fury is way too hittable. This would be an easier fight for Liston than many of the small guys he faced.

 

You always think the modern fighter has more arrows in his quiver

 

Sonny Liston never struggled with reach — he had an 84‑inch reach and nobody he fought had a longer reach then him. His issues came from speed and movement, not length. So the idea that reach would be a problem for him against Fury doesn’t hold up.

Fury bullied Wilder in the clinch because Wilder is narrow, weak inside, and has no dirty‑boxing skill. Liston is the opposite: he’s far stronger, wider, and far more dangerous in close. Fury can spoil him, but he can’t just ragdoll him whenever he wants.

Liston also brings a much deeper skillset than Wilder — a real jab, inside fighting, short power, and finishing ability at multiple ranges and punches. If he hurts Fury the way Wilder did, he’s far more capable of closing the show.

But the key difference is this: Liston doesn’t have Wilder’s explosive, unpredictable long‑range power to land that first big shot. Liston hits harder overall, but he doesn’t have Wilder’s ability to hurt Fury from nowhere.

So Fury still has the stylistic edge with his movement and awkwardness, but this matchup is far more competitive than Wilder–Fury. Liston has the tools to make it a real fight, and if he gets Fury hurt, he’s a far better finisher. However, I don't think he likely land that shot to hurt Fury enough to get the finish, so I agree that Fury wins but it not because of Liston struggling with guys that had longer reaches. He be in the fight throughout, Fury would not just easily outbox him, he have better shot then almost any other power puncher that faced Fury at beating him.

 

I think that the modern fighter is 6'8, 270lbs and moves like a guy of 220lbs.

 

fantasy

 

How is this “fantasy”? Liston never struggled with guys who had longer reach than him — so name one opponent he fought who actually had a longer reach. You can’t, because there isn’t one. Liston had an 84‑inch reach, and nobody he ever fought exceeded it.

Ali didn’t beat Liston because of reach — Ali’s reach was shorter than Liston’s. What gave Liston trouble was Ali’s speed, movement, and awkward rhythm, not arm length. So the idea that Liston struggled with fighters that had longer‑arms then him is just factually wrong. What is accurate is that he struggles with guys who had the speed, movement and awkward rhythm to avoid him from the outside. Fury has the movement and awkward rhythm but not the speed. Which why I believe Fury would win, but he not going to just easily outbox him, it will be hard fought win.

 

Fury does not move like a 220‑lb fighter. He fights at range with finesse and awkward rhythm, but he doesn’t have the speed, explosiveness, or compact agility that true 220 lb movers have. He’s agile for a man his size, but it’s a huge overstatement to say he moves like he’s 220. Compared to actual 220‑lb fighters, he’s slower, less compact, and far less explosive — just very effective with the tools he has.

And this is exactly why Fury relies on clinching so heavily. He doesn’t have the close‑range speed, pivot quickness, or inside mechanics that smaller fighters use to escape exchanges. So instead of fighting out of the pocket like a 220‑lb boxer would, he ties up, leans, smothers, and resets. Clinching is one of his core strategies because it compensates for the fact that he can’t move or react like a smaller, faster fighter.

A real 220‑lb fighter uses footwork, angles, and speed to get out of danger. Fury uses clinching. That’s the difference.

 

1) Because his opponents were little men by modern standards
2) See 2:00, 5:30

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Moves better than Liston at any rate.

 

Not sure what this is supposed to prove. Liston finished cleveland in both fights one fight in 2 round and the other in the 3rd round.

Tyson Fury fought Steve Cunningham — a career cruiserweight — got dropped by him, was losing on every scorecard, and didn’t stop him until the 7th after resorting to mauling. So I’m not sure what this video is supposed to prove about Liston’s reach.

 

Liston does not fight on his backfoot using movement, so that not really saying much of anything.

 

GEE, uhhh I don't know. What were we talking about? Uhhhh ... onions, I think?

 

sort of shuffles around