Verhoeven and Ngannou

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  1. Reuben Jones

    Reuben Jones Member Full Member

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    Do you think both Rico Verhoeven and Francis Ngannou have shut everyone up about fighters coming from different disciplines into boxing and not having a chance? I think so, but especially more at heavyweight at least. They both shocked the world, even if they didn't get the result they wanted.

    People can say Fury just didn't prepare properly for Ngannou, and that Joshua showed him the true levels. But for me, as bad as the KO was for Ngannou, Anthony Joshua, in his prime or not, can potentially do that to anyone. In fact, it's heavyweight boxing... anyone can do that to anyone. People will then say, how come he took so long to KO Jake Paul? Completely different fight, completely different opponent, smaller guy who was just there to run and survive. Ngannou is a big lump who only knows one way how to fight and that is to come and knock you out... it's either you or him. It makes total sense that Joshua KOd him so much more quickly... and that was a Joshua who was finding his confidence again. The Joshua that fought Paul was low on confidence after the Dubois destruction and the pressure was on him to knock Paul out as quickly as possible.

    Anyway, we could go on for ages about the above. I do think heavyweights have way, way more of a chance to transition to boxing because of their strength and power. Apart from the outliers like Usyk, heavyweights rely less on their actual skill. For example, a lightweight version of Wilder would've likely gotten nowhere. I think it's a lot more improbable, dare I say near enough impossible for the likes of Topuria/Volkanovski/Holloway to come over to boxing and beat, or even be competitive with the likes of Ennis/Haney/Ortiz.

    Speaking of Verhoeven and Ngannou, I hope they fight each other next. Usyk will likely be fighting Kabayel rather than an immediate rematch so these two should go at it. It would be a very entertaining and competitive fight... one that I can see go both ways.
     
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  2. Drago

    Drago Member Full Member

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    Thats a thought I have since two days. Ngannou vs Verhoeven in a 10 round boxing fight would be a good idea.
     
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  3. LoveThis

    LoveThis Sweet Science Full Member

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    Yes, that is actually a fight that makes sense. Would be funny if ngannou won. Then everyone would be confused. Triangle theories don't work
     
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  4. CrossT

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    AJ was able to do that to Ngannou because he could study footage of Ngannou vs Fury.
    Same thing happened with Usyk, he had no tape to study and it shocked him. Rico will get KO’d brutally by any top 10 HW in his next fight now they have footage on him.
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fury and Usyk both struggled because they both underestimated their opponents. And came in not in the best of shape aswell as having the disadvantage of the surprise factor.

    Not to mention Usyk and Fury are not really noted punchers at Heavyweight. So they both got roughed up against physically stronger opponents.

    This is a lesson that you don't underestimate anyone. And that these cross over fights shouldn't count as official fights they should be exhibitions nothing more nothing less.

    Not to mention active world champions should not be participating in these type of fights. They don't do boxings reputation any good and they never go to plan.
     
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  6. TowelThrower

    TowelThrower Y'all must've forgot Full Member

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    We have to take into account those two fighters are literally legendary within their own disciplines and had respectable boxing skills displayed within their arsenals, obviously Verhoeven to a far, far greater extent understands the art of boxing as a science better than Ngannou does. Whether that makes his performance against Fury more impressive than Verhoeven against Usyk idk. They are clearly outstanding fighters and adapted very well. Joshua has done that to several professional boxers, I would have liked Ngannou to have a couple more bouts to judge him better. We will see what Verhoeven does from here to judge just how good he can be.
     
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  7. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What never ceases to amaze me is the endless amount of passes and excuses AJ gets based on how "confident" he feels. Practically no other fighter gets the benefit of the doubt he does when he comes out looking shite.

    Wins a fight? Ah he was confident.

    Loses one? Ah, he's lost his confidence otherwise he would have won.

    End of the day styles make fights. Ngannou is a guy who chases KOs, and Rico evidently has a bit more to his gameplans.
     
  8. slash

    slash Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Double like.
     
  9. Reuben Jones

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    I've wanted it for a long time haha. It's a crossover fight that actually makes sense because both guys don't have an advantage of being the actual boxer.

    Well, that's because Joshua clearly has had confidence issues, particularly after the Ruiz fight when he suddenly changed from a wrecking machine into a cautious fighter, afraid to really go for the finish in case he got hit. Once he finally started getting his confidence back and was looking more like his old self, the Dubois annihilation happened which no doubt will have derailed it even more. And not just in his fights, outside of the ring, he is a very insecure person who has always cared WAY too much about what people are saying about him. That meltdown after Usyk 2 showed that in its entirety.

    Anyway, I didn't say that was the main reason he KO'd Ngannou quickly and not Paul. As you said, styles make fights, and confident or not, it's a lot easier to KO someone your own size who wants to trade with you rather than a small guy who is just trying to survive.
     
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  10. Samart'sTeep

    Samart'sTeep Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It’s not like this is entirely unprecedented. Veeraphol Sahaprom, an all-time great in muay thai, won the WBA bantamweight title in just his fourth fight over Daorung Chuvatana. He lost his title in his first defense, but later won the WBC belt, defending the title fourteen times.

    There’s a quite a few successful muay thai fighters and champions who transitioned to boxing and won world titles. Samart Payakaroon, Samson Isarn, etc. There’s also a lot of fighters, especially in eastern Europe and Russia, who started with a kickboxing background. Yoshiki Takei was the K-1 Super Bantamweight Championship from 2017 to 2020 and then went on to win the WBO Bantamweight Title in 2024. He even defended his title twice before losing it to Christian Medina. Tenshin Nasukawa has a good chance of becoming a boxing champion at some point if he keeps improving.

    These guys know how to fight and have a lot of combat experience. And elite boxing-centric muay thai fighters and kickboxers have better hands than most people here realize. It’s just that their boxing skills are designed for a kickboxing skillset (using a squared stance, mixing in kicks with their combinations, etc).

    It doesn’t mean any elite kickboxer can come over to boxing and be successful. It’s a rare feat to win championships in two different combat sports for a reason. But there are definitely some who can. That’s been proven.
     
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  11. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    I would favor Rico but also would not be surprised if Ngannou knocked him out.
     
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  12. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    I'll be surprised if that doesn't happen.

    Rico is a more skilled boxer but Ngannou carries more power in his hands, both huge men, would be interesting.
     
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  13. Reuben Jones

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    That's some cool info there. Doesn't surprise me with the Thai and Japanese fighters to be fair, they seem to know how to adapt to anything. They very rarely stick to one combat sport, everytime you look at their Wikipedia pages they seem to have fights in every discipline. Two nations who have success in all disciplines, compared to say Mexico which is boxing crazy, and Brazil which is MMA crazy. And of course the Netherlands which is kickboxing crazy.
     
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  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Many MMA fans were embarrassed that Alex Pereira came from KB to become champ in a few fights. And since then he has become a long reigning two weight champ.

    I suspect that he could have transitioned to boxing and done well too.
     
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  15. Samart'sTeep

    Samart'sTeep Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Alex is definitely an impressive fighting talent. Two division champ in kickboxing and MMA. Might even be a three division UFC champ soon, too. I've wondered if it's possible that a really special athlete could win a major championship in kickboxing (or muay thai), boxing, and MMA. That might just be too tall of a task for any human to realistically achieve, though.
     
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