Usyk has lost 32 of his last 85 rounds.

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  1. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In said 85 rounds at least one judge scored it for his opponent in over 50 of them.

    Here's what other non dominant HW reigns look like

    Marciano losing 23 of his last 86

    Patterson lost about 15/75 rounds during his title run and lost about 58/156 of his rounds in major bouts(12 rounds plus).

    Holmes lost about 39/207 during his title reign. 57/237 if we add the Spinks fights. 57/249 counting Shavers I.

    Fellow cruiser Holyfield lost 10/34 of his title rounds before Bowe, 19/46 counting the Bowe loss. 62/136 including all his title fights in the 90s and Bowe III.

    Old Foreman lost 20/46 of the rounds in his title reign before the Briggs loss 28/58 after. 35/70 counting Holy

    Fellow cruiser Haye lost 16/41 in his title fights+Chisora. 10 of these were in the Wlad loss.
    Fury lost about 34/120 of his title rounds including the Usyk fights.

    Usyk is not a dominant champion and has performed the worst of any tenured HW champion except John Ruiz or Chris Byrd if they count. Or James Jeffries if we're going that far back. Ali was losing the same amount of rounds at one point in the 70s but that was the 70s and it was a small part of a dominant body of work where he beat more than 30 individual elite HWs. Usyk doesn't have that body of work neither do the people he's beating.

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    The 32 rounds is giving Dubois the foul round he did not get in the first fight and giving Usyk 6 of 11 against Rico like he won officially.

    When I say a fighter won this many rounds I typically mean 2 judges scored for them or 2 judges scored that many for them.
     
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  2. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Any chance you got these numbers for Louis, Lewis and Wlad?
     
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  3. fencik45

    fencik45 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So not taking into account the quality of opponent.
     
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  4. Cyrion

    Cyrion Member Full Member

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    Losing rounds will happen when you're older, smaller, a foreigner, and the B-side in almost all your fights.

    That's how Usyk lost the 12th round against Fury in their first fight despite running Fury around the ring and landing double what Fury did in both total punches and power punches. In no universe did Usyk actually lose that round, but boxing politics wanted to save some face for Fury and sell the rematch.

    In no world did Usyk lose any of the final three rounds against AJ in their rematch. Yet, Glen Feldman got a nice envelope from Eddie Hearn and somehow found a way to give AJ some of those rounds and score the entire fight in AJ's favor. It was so absurd that BRITISH boxing journalists confronted Feldman over his scores. He, predictably, had no answers and said they had to talk to his manager.

    A win is a win. These hate threads are hilarious though, so please keep it up. I can't wait until you come up with some other asinine metric to discredit Usyk. Maybe number of cuts sustained, black eyes received, punches landed, or something like that. You remind me a lot of those people that claimed Tom Brady was nothing but a system quarterback and without Belichick he was garbage. Always got a good laugh out of those guys.
     
  5. rolzone

    rolzone Active Member Full Member

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    No his approach is the most scientific method there is. Round of applause. It’s fine though, he’s expressed an opinion and decided what is important and what is not. To that much everyone is entitled - a subjective exercise
     
  6. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But it hasn't happened for other champions as consistently.

    Usyks the one who insists on only fighting British people. If he didn't want to deal with the British no one's forcing him. British HWs have historically done abysmal in their title fights. That changed pretty drastically in this era.

    "asinine metric"

    This isn't some nerdy sabermetrics. Rounds are the score that decides who wins and loses. It's like saying points in basketball or runs in baseball are stupid and don't matter. If a fighter isn't a big puncher that statistic will dictate their whole career. Losing a lot of rounds means a fighter is close to losing and the margin of error is small.
     
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  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is crazy talk he is unbeaten, unified champion in 2 weight classes and beat the top heavyweights of his era
     
  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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  9. themaster458

    themaster458 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And? Is Usyk the only fighter who people calculate how many rounds he lost and judge him for it? Never see this for any other figher
     
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  10. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Kiltschko brothers would dominate this metric funny enough.
     
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  11. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not sure which is less useful: this, or compubox. Probably this.
     
  12. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was going for the champs who lost lots of rounds and those guys didn't. But I can try and cobble something together.

    For Louis I got 65/264 in title fights/15 round non title fights.
    For Lennox I got 34/122 in title fights.
    For Wlad I got 34/243 in title fights.

    For Louis I went with the neutral card and if that wasn't available boxrecs fanscores.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Losing rounds doesn’t matter if you win fights.
     
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  14. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    This thread immediately reminded me of those who praised how few rounds Vitali ever lost. But at the end of the day, it's about winning and losing the war/fight, not the individual battle/round.

    Who cares if Usyk loses rounds here and there. Lots of great fighters have. The important thing is that he WINS.
     
  15. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You never saw someone count the rounds a guy lost?
     
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