Usyk has lost 32 of his last 85 rounds.

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  1. themaster458

    themaster458 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Only for Usyk funny enough. Never seen people criticize Holmes for all the rounds he lost to his best opponents for example.
     
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  2. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Who cares if Usyk loses rounds here and there. Lots of great fighters have."

    The point was champions who've kept their belt as long as he has haven't. At least at HW. John Ruiz and Byrd lost more I think.

    If a fighter keep winning close ones it means very little was needed to change that outcome and a loss is coming sooner rather than later because the outcome came down to a very small % of the fight being flipped. Like with Fury, if Usyk doesn't score an uncharacteristic KD there it's a draw or loss.

    The reason champions who hold their belt don't lose as many rounds as Usyk is because if they are losing that many rounds every fight usually they would have lost by now. If a fighter needs to dig deep to beat a kickboxer they probably won't next time against an elite opponent.

    I agree about Vitali and yeah dominance over fighters not considered the best implies that the competition is the problem. Vitali the thing for me is his competition is awful for a champion but if you pretend he's not a champion that's a very nice resume. I feel like Vitali is the beneficiary of first impressions. People in 2004 saw him as the "good brother" and no matter the mountain of evidence they are not changing their minds.
     
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  3. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think it only counts against you if you constantly win coin flip fights but Uysk's case still won most of his big fights clearly enough even if he did drop rounds. Uysk also moving up a weight class and not being a huge puncher has to maintain a extremely high work rate so there are bound to be lapses.

    But I don't really have a issue with the metric as long it's consistent because stats are apart of boxing.
     
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  4. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've seen a lot of narratives of how little rounds Holmes, Vitali or Wlad lost during their reigns.
     
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  5. rolzone

    rolzone Active Member Full Member

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    It’s an interesting statistic, but perhaps the author should have made clear what conclusions *not* to draw from it as much as the ones he wants you to draw from it. Are you normalising the eras - are they comparable? Within the era, are the selection of opponents normalised or is that a factor to consider for interpretive purposes? Is the transitive closure of the opponents score under the same metric relevant? Because without answering those it can be misleading to compare the numbers of that metric even within an era and more so across eras
     
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  6. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not needed for other champions because they don't lose as many rounds.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I believe you may be making more of this than it ultimately matters. Usyk did not look especially good against Rico, no doubt. I'm not sure if that means certain doom for him next time out.

    I just hope we see Usyk vs Kabayel next, regardless of how it plays out.
     
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  8. DanielDimov

    DanielDimov Jabbing all night Full Member

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    Usyk always starts slowly, by adapting to his opponents. Therefore, quite often the first 3 rounds are usually scored for the other fighter.
     
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  9. themaster458

    themaster458 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How many rounds did Holmes lose to Norton, Witherspoon, Williams, Cooney etc
     
  10. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Interesting analysis.
    I think it's the fact that he loses a good deal of rounds that prompts people to check these stats. Other champs don't so they aren't scrutinized the same.
     
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  11. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    The only fighter Usyk dominated is Dubois.
     
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  12. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Given his list of desired opponents it probably doesn't. Wilder and Andy Ruiz. The whole concept depends on the champion fighting a top opponent every time out. If that is circumvented well all bets are off. He didn't want to fight Wardley but he'll beat Wardley. There's options out there where Usyk can continue his reign. I think those options are horrible for the sport and he's kind of ruined a bunch of careers but they are there. And after seeing Fury rebound from the Ngannou fight I'm not writing off Usyk against better fighters I'd have previously picked him to beat.

    Other than Kabayel(maybe) Usyk isn't fighting any of the people who have a very good chance against him. I don't think he will fight Kabayel he's just got to humor it because Kabayel is a titlelist and people are asking him. No ones asking him about Sanchez, Hrgovic, Bakole, Jared Anderson or the like. He will not fight them and if those guys could beat Usyk they will never get a chance to prove it.
     
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  13. GoodBot

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    :lol: I am scrolling through Wlads boxrec, and Jennings is the only one to win 4 rounds before Fury beat him. Before that it was Haye who got 4 rounds on one of the judges cards, and that was a terrible scorecard.

    Damn, there really were only a handful of guys who won rounds off of Wlad.
     
  14. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I answered this in the OP.

    It all added up to 39/207. Give or take.
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He's had a combined 2 Ukrainian judges and 0 Ukrainian refs for all his world title fights and fights at the world level at both CW and HW

    Is 39.5 y/o and was already 4 months shy of turning 35 when he won his world titles at HW and b
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    Has been fighting giants and much bigger men B2B to B2B, all in their backyards or on the road, all of whom in his world title fights younger or much younger than him, and all massive punchers vs fighters their own size or who hit hard when they want to and are way bigger than him and power is obviously magnified when you're facing fighters you're way bigger and heavier than

    You do all of that simultaneously you're suffering multiple KO losses, Usyk hasn't even been knocked down and many of those rounds he ''lost'' he didn't actually lose

    Those US ''greats'' from previous eras all of whom were bums and I mean every single one of them weren't just losing rounds in their mid to late 30s they were losing fights and or getting KTFO by fighters their own size in their own countries or they were retired

    Hell, even the very best of those bums were getting dropped or badly hurt by even bigger bums way smaller than them or by slow, unathletic and unskilled Frankenstein's monster giants/super bums in their primes