Usyk has lost 32 of his last 85 rounds.

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  1. BustedSaint

    BustedSaint Country Member Full Member

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    You are asking too much there I suspect as it is a comparative judgement.
     
  2. BustedSaint

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    Thanks for this information. It carries an underlying indication that he has had assistance along the way. Arguably the last bout points to this.
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The US's best fighter of this generation, Crawford, had something like 51 of a potential 60 judges for his world title fights coming from the US and only 1 from one of his opponent's country and he had US refs for all of his fights, barely fought any legit punchers or KO artists his own size, fought 41 of his 42 fights in the US, and of course like almost all of their boys was a massive weight bully who was very often the much or bigger man, rarely smaller, and never much or way smaller, and was never at a reach disadvantage even once, so a complete inversion of Usyk
     
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  4. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes ridiculously dominant.
     
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  5. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Exactly

    It's the equivalent of playing football and having 80 percent possession but losing 1 0
     
  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jennings won 3, it's 116-111 because Wlad was docked a point for holding.

    According to OP, Wlad must be better than Usyk because he won a greater proportion of his rounds. Quality of opposition, A-side advatage and failing to win apparently do not matter.
     
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  7. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "If a fighter keep winning close ones it means very little was needed to change that outcome"

    Did Bivol beat Canelo "close" or did he school him and almost get robbed, purely because Vegas A-side Canelo started with a defacto 3 round lead?

    Your statement applies in the inverse: if you can go many rounds in fight after fight while winning every time, as a B-side fighter, older, smaller and less powerful, against the top guys no less, this proves you are extremely hard to beat or draw with due to durability, ring IQ, stamina, determination etc. If you KO opponents regularly and early, these attributes are not tested, so seemingly dominant wins may he hiding major vulnerabilities.

    "Here's what other non dominant HW reigns look like"

    He's 8-0 at HW post-Witherspoon having beaten the three best fighters he could have beaten (all 2x titlists, likely future HoF), done so twice, and this is "non-dominant". If Usyk has "performed the worst since Ruiz and Byrd" all it shows is that the metric is meaningless.

    Also, ironic that neither Joshua or Fury could do the "very little" to "change the outcome", despite going the distance and winning several rounds officially in their first fights.
     
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  9. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At HW? He dominated Joshua. Completely outboxed and almost stopped him.
     
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  10. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Almost losing to some of his best opponents is totally different. Bivol has his fair share of lopsided wins against the divisions finest.


    ""He's 8-0 at HW post-Witherspoon having beaten the three best fighters he could have beaten (all 2x titlists, likely future HoF), done so twice, and this is "non-dominant".

    Which brings us to a big sticking point the Usyk fanbase thinks Fury and AJ are much better than they actually are. Dubois, Fury, AJ are not the three best fighters he could have beaten. They are the three most accomplished. The jury is still out on where Dubois stands but Fury and AJ did not prove they deserved to be considered the two best Heavys of the Usyk era. They had the belts at the start of this era and they played keep away. People should consider that maybe guys spending their time fighting and often struggling with debutants are not the best fighters in the division.

    "He's 8-0 at HW post-Witherspoon."

    And he lost 32 of 85 rounds! And one judge scored against him over 50 of 85 rounds!


    "If Usyk has "performed the worst since Ruiz and Byrd" all it shows is that the metric is meaningless."

    I want to clarify I didn't say he's performed the worst of any long tenured HW champ since Ruiz and Byrd. I said they are the only one's who performed worse going all the way back to Jeffries.
     
  11. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing

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    Maybe 25 or so ?
     
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  12. kirk

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    Hes 39 years old.
    Hes 39 years old with decreasing attributes with an athletic based style.
    Hes 39 years old fighting guys that routinely outweigh him by 25 to 50lbs.


    How many rounds was Haye losing at 39?

    Holyfied... your own math has him with a higher losing percentage. smh.

    Foreman literally lost a fight during that. Youre not more dominant if you lose some less rounds here n there but literally lose a fight.

    And once again, your own math has him with a worse winning percentage anyways.



    Ect ect ect
     
  13. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    This.
     
  14. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Usyk is 39 years old, Father Time is undefeated, for a guy that gets by on boxing ability and speed, without having a huge punch it’s a heavy lift to expect him to keep winning. He’s almost always undersized sooner or later it’s going to cost him at this point. I don’t think a loss at this time will hurt his legacy. Certainly not to someone like Kabayal. Had he lost to Rico - it would have hurt. Losing to A boxer with a 1-0 record in the sport is a bad loss. Rico however surprised everyone, especially with his stamina. I figured all along that Usyk’s plan was to drown him in the later rounds and just have a good show, but Rico didn’t tire out nearly as fast as I or many others thought he would. He fought smart, applied aggressive pressure to a guy getting old and that made a tough fight.
    I saw Wlad get old during the Jennings fight. He had lot more fights at heavy than Usyk but 39 is 39 for an undersized modern fighter, that can’t knock out an opponent with one punch.
    Usyk should retire. Hats off to him though if he continues on and beats someone like Kabayal.
     
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  15. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Always love a good stat.
    It's interesting, but while I think we all know Fury and Joshua weren't at their best, in fairness to him, Usyk was fighting both them and the officials at times.
    But still the stat is the stat. The majority of his fights at heavyweight have been highly competitive (including one against a kickboxer)
     
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