Usyk has lost 32 of his last 85 rounds.

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    This is low iq. What if Khan won 100 rounds and lost 10 rounds by getting knocked out in the 11th, does this mean he’s better than Usyk?
     
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  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bivol's best win is his razor close MD against Beterbiev. His second best win is his 115-113 over Canelo. Both of those wins are less lopsided by your metric than Usyk-Joshua 1, Usyk-Fury 2 and both Dubois fights.

    "Dubois, Fury, AJ are not the three best fighters he could have beaten. They are the three most accomplished"

    There is no distinction: they had/have the biggest wins and the belts. On no planet were Kabayel, Hrgovic, Sanchez, Ajagba, Joyce, Parker, Wardley, Zhang, Miller, Bakole etc. better opponents to beat. Barring Kabayel, who wasn't in serious contention until recently, they've all fallen by the wayside anyway.

    You have a bizarre obsession with rounds as an end in themselves. Usyk isn't fighting to win every single round, that is not the objective of a boxing match, nor is it the safest or most efficient way to fight. The objective is winning the fight, ideally without taking too much damage and no one does a better job of that. Opponents usually have 12 rounds (then usually another 12 to make adjustments) but they never even scrape a draw, and never stop him. That is supreme boxing dominance.
     
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  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    By the guy's metric, winning every round then getting KO'd in the 12th is vastly better and more "dominant" than losing every round before scoring a 12th round KO...

    In fact, even winning a 10-2 decision or 9-2 before a 12th round KO win is worse, because you lost twice as many rounds!
     
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  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not to be pedantic but given the inherent autism of the thread, isn't it 31 rounds to Usyk's 54?

    Chisora won 5, Joshua 9, Dubois 2, Fury 10, Rico 5
     
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  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Ali beat more than 30 individual elite HW's"

    Name them.

    Also, don't Patterson, Holyfield, old Foreman and Haye (to start) have worse rounds won ratios than Usyk by your own admission? So how does James Jeffries come into it?
     
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  6. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Is this according to the judges scorecards? Just wondering cause giving Joshua and Fury 9 and 10 is generous.
     
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  7. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Henry Cooper, no way Usyk would beat that uncoordinated slow oaf.
     
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  8. Redbeard7

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    Yes, he is apparently strictly going by the judges scorecards. Which until the Verhoeven fight were less favourable for Usyk than the public consensus, fwiw. If Boxrec members were scoring, Chisora would have got 3, AJ 7, Fury 9, Dubois 0, but Rico 8.
     
  9. Finkel

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    I suppose in part that is why they are more highly regarded than their era would suggest. Wlad Klitschko took some losses but his reign was long, winning many (including some of his biggest) fights in dominant fashion.

    It is fair to say the current era is not as strong as many hoped (2015~): the Heavyweight #1 Joshua losing in a massive upset to Snickers Ruiz + Heavyweight #1 Fury going life and death with MMA Ngannou + Heavyweight #1 Usyk going very close with Kickboxer Rico...does not speak to a strong era. So you would hope the dominant champion would, well, dominate.

    Usyk is without a doubt the #1 of this era, though. No argument from me on that.
     
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  10. Redbeard7

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    I don't long for the "halcyon days" of Wlad backhumping his opponents to death.

    If Usyk, Fury and Joshua are overrated then that reflects badly on Wlad, who is 0-2 against silver and bronze. It's lucky the other guys who beat Wlad are cast-iron ATG's...
     
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  11. Finkel

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    Fair. Granted Wlad's style was effective albeit very ugly. But Wlad had been on top for nearly a decade when Fury and Joshua came along.

    The young lion defeating the old is the natural order of things. Heck, Wlad got his Olympic Gold when Fury was just turning 8 years old.

    Yet these wins are both still arguably the pinnacle of Joshua's and Fury's careers. Only Usyk has topped those fights by claiming undisputed (by collecting the belts off those two)
     
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  12. catchwtboxing

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    He' lost a lot of British rounds.
     
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    Now that I have some spare minutes,

    Winning percentages in title fight rounds, in order, going by your own numbers.

    Patterson : 80% during title run, roughly 63% in big fights.
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    Holmes : 77%
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    Marciano : 73%
    Fury : 71%
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    Declaring Usyk as performing the worst out of any tenured champion, when by your own numbers hes not even the worse performing of the ones you yourself are listing in attempts to show his poor performance.

    Bruh.


    And theres little doubt there would be even more champions below him if more were tallied.


    The premise of your thread is objectively false, and is shown to be by the very numbers you yourself are listing to make your point.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Mike Tyson had been knocked out or stopped x 6 by the time he was 6 months younger than Usyk is now, including x 3 at 23, 30 and 30, once at 35 and x 5 in total by the time he was almost a year and a half younger than Usyk is now

    Lennox Lewis was one punch sparked out cold or dropped like a sack of potatoes and knocked absolutely senseless x 2 in his prime too and by smaller or much smaller fighters and one was a drug fiend

    Dempsey was knocked out in a round in his prime by a fireman

    Louis was knocked out i
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    Wlad was knocked out or stopped x 3 in his prime, dropped about 500 times, and never won a fight again after the age of 39 years and 1 month old

    Holmes lost x 2 when he was 35 and 36 to a LHW and via KO at 38 to Tyson

    Ali had lost x 4 by the time he was Usyk's age and lost again when he was 6 months older than Usyk is now, 3 of those loses by the time he was 31 and one at 35 to a much smaller Leon Spinks and this is despite him very often being the bigger or much bigger man in his career and those are just his official losses

    And he was almost knocked out by a 22lb lighter Bivol sized HW

    And some of those boxers drew the colour line and mob involvement was rife back in some of those eras and fighters were taking dives left, right and center and entire careers were manufactured

    And most of them were knocked out or stopped or stopped or stopped multiple times in the amateurs

    What are we even doing here?

    PS no disrespect intended towards any of the fighters mentioned here I think they were all actually pretty good
     
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    So who is the Round for Round lineal champion at the moment? Floyd Mayweather?
     
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