Usyk has lost 32 of his last 85 rounds.

I counted 50 lost rounds for Mayweather in his whole career but it may be incorrect will have to go back and check.

 

It's amazing the work people will go through to dispute Usyk's greatness. He didn't **** a girl and knock out tomato cans, so apparently people don't think he's great.

 

True but at the same time against Rico the judges were a bit generous to him for once.

 

I'm not discrediting Ali but OP's claim that he beat "30 individual elite heavyweights" shows that there is no objectivity here. Also, his claim that Usyk is arguably the worst heavyweight champion since Jim Jeffries is actually hillarious.

 

At a certain point age is an excuse for losing. Plenty of guys would be favored over 40 something versions of most greats

And people are understandably nostalgic for the days when guys had decent resumes and it wasn't acceptable to beat 3 or 4 ranked opponents and call it a career

 

So Wlad losing to Fury doesn't matter despite recently signing a 5 fight TV deal, losing to an AJ who'd never been past 7 rounds doesn't matter. Because he was in his late 30's or early 40's.

But Wlad losing to Puritty, Sanders and Brewster also doesn't matter, because he was only in his 20's and hadn't had a few years with Steward yet.

No one is actually nostalgic for the days of Wlad jumping on Povetkin's back for 12 rounds. And whatever people say about Rico, he is leagues ahead of Wlad's lesser defences, especially in a one off match. It is simply the tendency in boxing to criticise whatever is current, plus hating on Usyk specifically because he makes peoples favourite boxer look bad.

 

There are two Usyks at this point,Usyk the great who went Undisputed at Cruiserweight and Heavyweight and the other Usyk post Heavyweight Undisputed. I honestly thought when Usyk turned pro he was different to the rest and all about legacy and he was until becoming Undisputed Heavyweight,current Usyk is not the same,he’s just like the rest money money money ! It could well be down to his new Team like mentioned in a few other threads but ultimately it’s his decision .

 

Interesting but doesn’t take in to account quality. Usyk has fought six fights versus the three best heavies. He is an all time great and we are lucky he has taken on everyone even twice.

 

Plenty of greats have lost to terrible opponents at that age, it's generally what happens if you continue fighting at that age rather than retiring or cherry picking safe opponents.

Usyk is rightly being criticized for fighting Rico in the first place. Wlads crappy opponents were largely mandos he had to face or risk being stripped. Obviously that's not the case here as Rico hadn't fought as a pro in 10 years.

And losing to Usyk if anything has enhanced the reputations of Joshua and Fury. The fact that he fought them and they were somewhat competitive is already being argued as a positive aspect of their legacies

 

Fignters do not age uniformly. Wlad was champion, a big favourite in the Fury fight and clearly did not feel in significant decline, hence the 5 fight extension he signed pre-Fury. He also wasn't addicted to fighting for its own sake, like say Holyfield. If you get in the ring and are schooled or stopped as champion then it does diminish you. You are attempting to attribute a prime to Wlad he never had, and discredit the wins of fighters who could have beaten him at any age. If he didn't think he was good enough he would have avoided those fights, as he did when he had the chance to rematch Joshua.

Opponents like Pianeta, Mormeck and Leapai did not have to be fought. K2 also had power to influence who their mandatories would be. They sometimes fought far worse opponents than they could have.

Losing to Usyk twice has not improved the reputations of Fury or Joshua lmao. Being clearly beaten twice never helps you. If Fury had retired undefeated after beating Whyte he'd have a higher standing now. Andre Ward would not have benefitted (except financially) from going on to lose to Beterbiev twice either. Hearn no doubt wishes they had swerved Usyk, gone straight to Fury, and hoped Usyk slipped up somewhere else.

 

Yes, that is one good reason. Ali does not have 30 individual elite heavyweights as victims on his record.

 

What "Chisora standard"?