Anthony Joshua is replacing Michael Moorer in the fight against George Foreman.

Much shorter night for George, he kos Joshua in 4-5 rounds maybe even sooner.

 

Foreman got battered by Morrison. It doesn’t get any worse than that for a supposed “KO artist”, at least Jermaine Franklin is known for being a tricky, tough HW, not a glass-canon that gasses out in 3 rounds like Morrison.

90s Foreman wasn’t an “aggressive power puncher” and he never fought with a big, strong HW unless they had glass chins or were straight up trash. AJ was actually good at KO’ing old, strong HWs that threw one punch at a time like Whyte and Wlad.

 

Morrison was a power puncher so how can he eat Morrisons shots and generally show a sturdy chin but get flatlined by aj it makes no sense. Morrison also used more movement than joshua typically uses

Define aggressive power puncher

 

Foreman nearly got KO'd by Holyfield in round 9. Foreman wouldn't be able to handle a powerful, elite combination puncher that actually threw with intent to KO him, thats why he never went near Bowe or Lewis. It was always guys like Morrison and Briggs who had glass chins and opted to move around, point-fight and threw singular power-shots to get him off if Foreman got too close.

Not really, he used basic lateral movement, no more than AJ did in Ruiz II or even against Franklin.

Pre-Ruiz AJ.

 

You said Foreman got battered but Morrison was a big puncher so if he could take that many of Morrisons punches then why would aj flatline him ? Especially when Foreman has a better chin

Holyfield has dropped Ray Mercer so he wasn't a light puncher and I wouldn't rule out him punching harder than Ruiz when he got maximum torque. Foreman took dozens of combinations back to back without going down, thats a hallmark of Foreman's durability.

Joshua was in his prime post Ruiz and that's not specific. How does Foreman not fit the description even if you think joshua is better

 

I literally just told you. Morrison threw singular shots when Foreman got too close strictly to keep him away, he wasn't going for a KO. He'd get walked down by Foreman, then throw a really hard left hook or a body shot or two to make him stop approaching, then back up and go back to moving around and jabbing and throwing short, no-risk combos. AJ will actually let his hands go and throw combinations with the intention of KO'ing him like Holyfield did, who nearly got there despite being 50 lbs lighter than Foreman.

He isn't anywhere near AJ or Morrison.

Why does this even matter?

Nearly getting KO'd by Holyfield's combinations isn't a good look if you are fighting with AJ.

That's not what you asked.

Yes it is.

90s Foreman rarely threw more than 2-3 punches at a time. He'd patiently walk you down behind a heavy jab, slow down your movement with hard body shots and chop you down with hard right hands and uppercuts one at a time until you slowly broke down. AJ would actually be all over you the instant you were hurt with full-fledged combos.

AJ is everything Foreman avoided during his comeback.

 

Morrison primarily kept him away with movement which is something aj can do, Foreman didn't take many steps back in that fight and Morrison briefly planted his feet in numerous spots when he was leaning forward to land big hooks and right hands before moving out of range, he had his weight in alot of those shots and joshua doesn't typically use as much movement as Morrison. You are trying to find explanations why someone who hits much harder than Holyfield couldn't stagger Foreman when Holyfield did but that happens in boxing all the time, Holyfield is simply a superior fighter to aj and Morrison when it comes to offense and he didn't drop Foreman

So he'd walk you down methodically with power jabs and power shots to the body to break you down while setting up hard right hands hooks and uppercuts so he can be seen as an aggressive power puncher thanks for laying that out straight forward lol. Him not throwing a lot was partially down to his opponents not standing in front of him as we see when he threw plenty of lether against Holyfield while also trying to be more efficient but he's still constantly coming forward looking to land big shots and joshua doesn't do well against durable fighters that walk him down

Joshua nearly got KO'd by Whyte, got KO'd by Dubois, got KO'd and dropped like 5 times by Ruiz who isn't a huge puncher, wouldve gotten KO'd by Klitschko if Klitschko didn't pull his punches after Vitali said so, nearly got KO'd by Povetkin if you think merely getting staggered means nearly getting KO'd.

Bowe and Lewis were better than joshua

 

Yeah that's kinda my entire argument, he only really banged away when Foreman got too close and he threw like 3-4 punches before boxing and moving around again. He didn't try to KO him.

Morrison didnt even use that much movement, he just kept his distance and did basic lateral movement. AJ showed much better movement, counters and boxing skills against Usyk, Franklin and in Ruiz II.

No, what happened is already pretty clear, Morrison opted to move and box to a decision win and Holyfield came for a KO. AJ will also do that, except his offense is better and way more powerful, and he isn't 50 lbs lighter than Foreman like Holyfield was. But he can do what Morrison did and win that way as well. Its really not that difficult with how many lesser fighters nearly did it. Or did do it.

You can't be an "aggressive" power puncher by walking in the ring, throwing jabs for the most part and your longest combos being 3-4 punches long.

Yeah, when he is fighting a 6'2 205 lbs CW who stubbornly stands nose to nose with him. He wouldn't dare do that against someone like AJ.

Neither Ruiz, nor Dubois, nor Usyk beat Joshua because they were "durable fighters that walked him down". Ruiz and Dubois were faster than him and were beating him in exchanges with their own combinations. Usyk just outboxed him. Foreman is closer to guys like Whyte and an Old Wlad who rocked Joshua with singular good shots before getting KTFO'd.

All more acceptable than Holyfield and Stewart making you look like a train hit you.

You'd wish that was the end of it, bro was scared shitless of Tony Tucker (PS: AJ decapitates Bowe).

 

Glad to see the Foremaniacs supporting their man and helping Old George retain the crown of most overrated H2H fighter on this forum

One single win over a Ring rated fighter his entire comeback and that means he's walking down this entire generation, apparently

Of course, had the Morrison fight not actually happened, these same people would be picking him to KO Tommy early and laugh off any chance of a Morrison win

 

Joshua by TKO in a one sided fight.

 

So you just said he banged away and when we watch the full fight he landed a multitude of power shots every single round while also using movement to stay out of the line of fire for too long, that means Foreman took a large number of big shots from Morrison without going down despite Morrisons gameplan, thats my point. If Morrison tried to KO him he'd land even more punches but just leave himself open more, that doesn't mean Morrison would have KO'd him. You're claiming Morrison didn't throw and land any explosive punches with full rotation behind them because he was also using lateral movement, while also not using that much movement ?

So Morrison didn't use that much movement but also didn't land a lot of hard power punches but also battered Foreman which one is it bro ? You're all over the place

Usyk wobbled aj multiple times despite being much lighter and known for being a volume puncher. Joshua couldn't put a dent in Franklin and Ruiz actually knocked him out. Also Ruiz was 20 pounds fatter in the rematch, he was in terrible condition compared to the first fight

But you can be considered an aggressive power puncher by constantly walking down your opponent throwing power jabs, right hands and throwing 3-4 punch combinations, Foreman being more passive against movers trying to set his feet doesn't mean he isn't using an aggressive approach, he is typically coming forward almost every second of the round throwing at a consistent pace looking for a KO shot

Thats funny because both old Wlad and Whyte have weak chins compared to Foreman and could still take his power for several rounds while almost knocking joshua out despite being slower, Wlad let aj off the hook by not fighting more assertively.
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/ne...wladimirs-defeat-by-anthony-joshua-at-wembley

Both Ruiz and Dubois were walking him down and joshua has never done well under pressure except when Ruiz showed up out of his usual fighting shape.

So apparently getting knocked out face down ass up and dropped several times is more acceptable than taking consecutive power shots and remaining on your feet. That could never be me. The entire point is Foreman has the chin to stand up against ajs power if he got hit a bunch, joshua does not have the chin to stand up against his own power, the Dubois fight proved it he didn't just lose badly he got annihilated and drilled into the canvas.

The Holyfield example falls apart when we actually use it to judge match ups from that same era. Holyfield full on dropped Mercer does that mean Mercer can't handle combinations from big hard hitting heavyweights ? Does that mean Mercer can't handle the power of Lennox Lewis ????

Mercer was smaller than 90s Foreman and we know you like bigger heavyweights yet the example falls flat there, so it more than likely falls flat here. This isn’t to say joshua wouldn't win but he's probably not knocking Foreman out George had a granite chin at that age if anything

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So these guys beat joshua because they were faster than him, hit hard, had a good jab and were beating him in exchanges but Bowe wouldn't beat joshua when all of that is Bowes forte ? Interesting. Note: Joshua has never beaten a power puncher without getting hurt and staggered.

 

AJ decapitates Bowe? No way.

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I never denied his toughness against singular power-shots. Its proper, committed combos that is the issue, hence why he handled Morrison fine but was out on his feet against Holyfield.

I never said any of this. I quite literally said that Morrison landed very hard shots on Foreman and just that his movement was merely basic and simple, nothing AJ can't replicate. I'm saying Morrison not KO'ing Foreman doesn't mean anything because he wasn't going for a KO anyway, he'd hurt Foreman then back off and switch back to moving and boxing. Holyfield actually was, and he nearly did it despite being pretty much pillow-fisted in comparison to someone like AJ.

No, you are acting like an idiot on purpose to make me seem inconsistent. My stance is pretty easy to see, Morrison used simple movement against Foreman that isn't beyond AJ's ability, and landed short combos with very hard punches only to get Foreman to stay at range. He wasn't trying to get a KO, hence why Holyfield managed to hurt him a lot worse.

Irrelevant, completely different styles, completely different circumstances and Usyk is universes above a grandpa Foreman.

Which is far more acceptable than not being able to scratch Tommy Morrison and Alex Stewart.

Ruiz is nothing like an Old Foreman.

He was unironically faster and more mobile than Foreman was against Morrison.

Not for me, but let me make this more clear if its so difficult: Foreman isn't the same type of power-puncher AJ or the people that troubled AJ are. Whether you want to consider that aggressive power-punching or not is up to you.

Whyte and Wlad, who were faster, more dynamic and more physically capable than Foreman was in the 90s with similar size and power, landed their best shots on AJ, failed to keep him down and got KO'd at the end. Which would also happen to Foreman seeing as how a 50 lbs lighter, offensively inferior fighter to AJ nearly beat him to death and had him walking around with sunglasses for a week. And no Wlad didn't "let" anyone off the hook, he made a mistake and AJ capitalised on it, thats his own fault.

Sure but thats because Ruiz had too much handspeed and countering ability in the pocket, and Dubois was way too athletic and explosive whilst being faster. They didn't win just because they pressured, they had qualities Foreman does not have. Others that tried the same like Takam and Povetkin got flatlined.

It is when the guy that does it is 6'5 and 250 lbs. Holyfield was exactly 42 lbs lighter than Dubois, and 49 lbs lighter than Foreman. Getting hurt that bad by somebody so much smaller is more embarrassing.

He literally never showed that ability during his comeback. He never fought against any proper combination puncher that had AJ's size and power.

Foreman isn't Dubois. He is much more similar to Whyte and Wlad who AJ did prove his chin against. An old, slow guy who throws very few punches at a time.

Lewis spent that entire match trading with Mercer in the pocket due to the size of the ring. Holyfield is way more dangerous in the pocket than Lewis is.

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Good, then I'll probably agree to disagree because this is getting boring as ****.

Bowe would eat every single jab and right hand AJ throws him at range and doesn't have the proven durability to do so.

Note: Bowe has never beaten a power puncher. Like ever.

 

one punch

 

Some common sense. George was plodding a bit by this stage and was well below what he was vs Holyfield. AJ could theoretically fight the careful fight and win by decision. AJ is also AJ, he could find a way to lose too. I personally don't think he can stop Foreman, he wouldn't lay enough on the line in this one. It's AJ by decision of Foreman by stoppage. I don't think Foreman could outpoint him and i think it's unlikely AJ stops George.