Jaron Ennis Gets Hit Way Too Much

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    If the art of boxing is to hit and not get hit, then every fighter gets hit too much

    What's that they say about not being able to swim without getting wet?

    Why are men who are bald on top but have plenty of hair on the sides and the back of their heads deemed ''bald''?

    How can you have hair on say, for argument's sake, 60% of your head and be ''bald''? It makes no sense whatsoever

    A swimmer cannot by definition get too wet because you cannot immerse your body into any body of water without getting wet

    The same applies to boxers and boxing. Even the greatest defensive fighters of all time by definition get hit too much
     
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  2. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    Oh you're still here....lol
     
  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Grow up ? lol, take your advice. Quoting blocks normally would be easier for you, but no skin off my back.

    "And you mean to tell me they made it to that stage without having "quality footwork"

    0 reading comprehension. I spoke of footwork quality being subjective, i never said guys at 154 lack "quality footwork". You're building off strawman and you continue to do so either on purpose or out of ignorance, half your post is dogcrap and you know it.

    Also, wrong. Crawford isn't planning on coming back after Canelo he already vactaed his interim title and mandatory status for Fundora
    https://www.secondsout.com/news/crawford-title-decision-ahead-of-canelo/

    "You say it's subjective, but you made the statement in a definitive manner. Is this so you can say the most illogical statements without having to accept the silliness of the statement?" This statement doesn't mean anything, its criticizing making definitive opinions about a subjective topic. That's what you're doing. This entire topic is subjective, Boots does not get hit more on average than guys like Ortiz and Murtazaliev, I've seen the stats nor has he gotten dropped or KO'd cold like Ortiz or Fundora, yet he gets hit too much and has bad defense according to this thread and you. Subjective. Look how much Bud got hit against Madrimov and Benavidez. If I didn't know any better I'd say you're arguing just for the thrill with continuous strawman, but I know it goes deeper than that. Ever since Boots was mandatory for Buds belts, some tomfoolery went down and things haven't quite been the same..... another red wall of text will completely miss the point :eusa_doh:

    Not having pillowfists doesn't equate to KO power but you can hurt most fighters if you sit on your shots. You're arguments are too rigid to be realistic, Karen has enough in his shots to hurt most if he sits on his shots instead of bouncing away, his KO ratio doesn't reflect pillow hands
    Pointless semantics a claim can refer to a statement of fact or just a statement regardless of its truth or it's merit, nobody disputed that. It doesn't change anything however Villa was a power puncher at 147 ask Bocachica or Ellis who he dropped hard and wobbled several times, or anyone else whos been in with Villa. I'm taking those personal accounts over yours. Even visually he puts all his weight into his shots like Vergil. Villa was always known for his exceptional power even in the amateurs, You're disputing his resume but you're not actually debunking anything here

    ???? just admit u picked wrong we all saw how Boots looked against Karen that led many to favor Stanionis. You assessed both their recent performances, analyzed their styles and how good your thought they were and then that led you to slightly lean towards Stanionis to win it. That's what a prediction is a statement on how a future event goes you're trying way too hard wtf lmao. If you're going to backtrack on a prediction what is even the point of this
    Goodbye
     
  4. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    You are seriously struggling. Trying too damn hard. I can only try to fix your ignorance, but when one is comfortable with their ignorance, I have to just let them be. Clearly you are the type to keep banging at the computer until the other just stops talking so you feel you accomplished something, so, I'll let you enhance you emotions to level 10 of the feeling you won something.....lol.

    At the end of the day.... Ennis has done nothing more than beat up on smaller opponents. Individuals he knew going into the negotiations that he physically was the more superior competitor. None of the little guys he's faced proves that he will dominate opponents closer to his natural size. The performances he's had vs Karen showcase he is far from a finished product. And Karen is a C level opponent. Stanionis was a good win, but again, much smaller so it doesn't tell us how good Ennis is or isn't. He did what he was supposed to do. It does show us that Ennis's defensive isn't elite with the amount of times he got tagged by Stanionis. The fact he was able to land at such a high percentage let's us know that Ennis needs to work on a few things before stepping up in weight. We'll see what happens moving forward.

    Now you can write whatever goofy response you need to here. I won't respond, probably won't even read it. But I know you need to have the last word...... Good job buddy.
     
  5. Flo_Raiden

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    Boots disagrees. Let’s see how his defense looks tonight.

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  6. BoxingIQ

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    Jaron does a lot of rubbernecking/rolling with punches
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He's a very aggressive fighter, was a huge 147 pounder who had confidence in his chin, and when he wants to box and move and be elusive he doesn't get hit as much.

    That being said, whether partly by choice or lacking slickness or a combination of both, he isn't some defensive master and he does get hit too much

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    I disagree about it being due to making weight and the IBF next day rehydration clause it's just more to do with his aggressive style and being unable able to simultaneously blend exceptional offence and defence like defensive masters like Loma which isn't a knock on him because it comes with a high degree of difficulty and very few fighters can regardless of how elite and skilled they are

    The perception and rewriting of the Karen fights still irks me though. I think Super Boots is a special talent and whilst he won the first fight clearly, or rather in dominant fashion and Karen was very negative and on his bike for the vast majority of the fight, it wasn't a shutout and Karen did deserve to win 2 or maybe 3 of those rounds and the scorecards from those corrupt thieving home judges for the rematch warranted prison time

    119-107, 117-109, 116-110

    Karen was having lots of success and lighting Super Boots up in many rounds of that fight and the absolute worse case scenario for him should be him winning no fewer than 5 rounds and that's being generous to Super Boots and there is zero argument for him only winning 4 IMO and it's disgusting those judges and many fans have been allowed to create this narrative it was a shutout or subsequently rewrite what actually transpired in the ring
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    To be fair, Super Boots could try and implement the Dre school of defence: Hold like a lonely octopus all night, duck below waist level, lead with his head nonstop, stiff-arm

    Or he could just employ Roy's defensive strategy: Go on glass protection duty by avoiding savage punchers and when you do get hit take a long snooze or get knocked absolutely senseless

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  9. Boxed Ears

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    In Crown, Samory I states that Haile Selassie "a nuh side kick," and that "Empress Menen a nuh no side chick." We must make the same concession about Boots. Boots speaks his mind; he fears no evil. He takes his time. He helps his people.
     
  10. Brighton bomber

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    He does get hit too much for my liking. He was clearly hurt and lost his form against Zayas in that 3rd round. But I give him credit he dug deep and was putting it on Zayas again at the end of the round.

    I know his fans will say he's choosing to get hit to land his own, kind of like when Crawford would get hit early in fights as he was gauging timing and distance to land his intercepting counters. But I don't recall Bud ever getting buzzed that badly that he lost his form and composure. I think it's less he chooses to get hit than a flaw in his style. His defence seems to be more offence.