Usyk is vacating all the belts!

BOMB SQUAADDDDD!!!!

 

I’m sick of fighters just being elevated as full champion, they should fight for a vacant belt. And don’t mention the interim belt bull****, the point is that the interim belt is a load of ****. Usyk looking silly for not retiring after Dubois II now, the Rico fight and vacating all belts will leave a stink on his legacy.

 

Thats why the contenders are trying to fight Usyk

 

Let's see what he does next, though. If he has a couple of entertaining wins, no one is going to care.

It hasn't really hurt Holmes that he lost his title to a LHW jumping up two weight classes.

It hasn't really Tyson that he lost his last two to a fringe contender and a club fighter.

It hasn't really hurt Holy that he finished with ten losses.

Rico isn't going to hurt him at all. That is a fantasy being passed around by detractors.

 

He's still the RING beltholder no?

 

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That’s not the point, the point is he could have avoided all of this by simply bowing out at the top. Going life and death with a kickboxer is arguably worse than losing to a British level dude when you’re washed.

 

The point is that there is no "stink" on his legacy. No one is going to care.

 

I think it might be a little too early to predict. This may be a bit melodramatic, but I think in terms of boxing history we are at a fork in the road. It really depends on how things play out in the next year or so, with Usyk at the centre of it.

You implied in a post a bit further up that you expect Usyk to have a few more fights, so this "last dance" is likely just some nice words he is using. Okay, so he is the probably going to fight on. Now if he fights on under the Zuffa banner, they will try to align their belt with the Ring belt and the idea that they have the only legitimate heavyweight champion (much like they do with cruiserweight). If Usyk loses while tied to Zuffa, Zuffa has the next lineal champion. If Usyk keeps winning under Zuffa, it will still give them enough time to establish themselves as the place where the top heavyweights really are.

Now, I don't know what will happen, it is pure speculation on the future at this point, but if it plays out like the above, and the orgs don't move fast enough to establish a unified champion in the next year. We may be down to one org: Zuffa boxing/The Ring. With all the other orgs considered secondary to it.

Now that may end up being a good thing, clearing up a lot of the issues many have with the proliferation of belts. Or it may create a 5th org. However, it does put an awful lot of power into the hands of (1) two boxing outsiders and (2) what will be no doubt an American-centric organization

So, Usyk in terms of legacy may be characterised as a hero or a villain when history looks back upon him, and it might not necessarily be entirely under his control. What he does next will be interesting to see

 

Let me clear it up for you.

-Olympic gold medalist
-First undisputed cruiserweight champ of the four-belt era and first in 25 years of so
-First undisputed heavyweight champ in about 20 years and first of the 4 belt era
- Defeated 8 other titlists in 11 fights
- Defeated the #2, #3 and #4 heavy of the post-Klit era twice each
-NEVER had home court advantage, and did it in the other's guy's backyard most of the time
- Never been down

No one will care that it took him to the eleventh to stop a kickboxer, and no one will care that he didn't want to fight Wardley and Kabayel, who are pretty average in the scheme of things.

Let's be real.

 

OK, but that clears up nothing in response to what I actually wrote, speculative as it may be. You are just talking past a potential issue in the near future.

This may go beyond one man's record if he is tied to a historic shift in the boxing landscape that plays out for the worse

 

Then what you wrote was not addressing what I was discussing with the other poster.

 

okay, that is fair. I can understand the frustration of having one argument, and someone joining in and pivoting. My bad.

I saw what I wrote as an extension of general ideas in the thread. I do believe it is too soon to say how people will view his habit of dropping the belt, after getting extensions on mandatory challengers. Other champions have done this. But three times is a bit of a, let's call it a grey area

If what I think happens next with Zuffa comes to pass, you might be right that looking bad in the Rico fight won't matter. But then again, I have no idea which way things are about to go, just my suspicions. If he has one more fight, it will look a lot better than if he were to continue on and act as a champion for Zuffa boxing. Or maybe we will look back on him as a hero who brought down the orgs.

 

It would help Usyk a lot if some of his victims had managed to acquire decent legacies of their own but only Dubois seems likely to do so.

That way people wouldn't have to resort to things like trying to hype up Wilder who maybe just scrapes into his eras top 10 realistically