Is Ray Leonard top 10 p4p in the last 100 years?

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  1. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    Only counting work done in 1926 and after, is Ray Leonard top 10 p4p?
     
  2. Samart'sTeep

    Samart'sTeep Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When you look at the quality of his opponents in his top 6 wins, it's hard to argue that he's anything less than a top 10 pound-for-bound boxer of all time. Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Benítez, Kalule. I'm not sure there's another fighter in boxing history who has better top tier wins. What hurts him is his short longevity, partially brought about by multiple retirements. His resume has an incredible peak but he's somewhat lacking in terms of depth. But that peak is so incredibly high that it still puts him in very rare company. And skill and ability wise, you could argue that he was the best fighter ever.
     
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  3. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no. too many fighters ahead of him
     
  4. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    In no real order, here are ten names that might be keeping Leonard out of the top 10 p4p in the last 100 years

    Ray Robinson
    Henry Armstrong
    Ezzard Charles
    Muhammad Ali
    Roberto Duran
    Joe Louis
    Barney Ross
    Jimmy Mclarnin (some of his work gets removed by the rules but he still has enough for a case potentially)
    Archie Moore
    Tony Canzoneri (A small amount of work gets cut off but not enough to matter I imagine)

    That's ten but how many in total in the last 100 years have a case over Leonard?

    the left overs:
    Willie Pep
    Sandy Saddler

    Is it just 12 names? Am I forgetting someone?

    I've been thinking about making top 15 lists for the classical 8 divisions for the past 100 years and then a top 25 p4p in the last 100 years. Slightly different than an all time list. This is the context behind me asking this question
     
  5. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    Also please keep in the mind the last 100 years part of the question

    If I see someone try to argue that Greb's last year as a boxer is somehow greater than all of Ray Leonard's career I am going to lose it.
     
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  6. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    Below your comment I listed 12 potential names that could be keeping Ray Leonard out of the top 10 p4p in the last 100 years. Is this roughly how many names you were thinking of? Am I missing some names or including too many? Thank you in advance.
     
  7. Rubber Glove Sandwich

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    Ray Robinson
    Henry Armstrong
    Ezzard Charles
    Muhammad Ali
    Roberto Duran
    Joe Louis
    Barney Ross
    Jimmy Mclarnin (some of his work gets removed by the rules but he still has enough for a case potentially)
    Archie Moore
    Tony Canzoneri (A small amount of work gets cut off but not enough to matter I imagine)
    Willie Pep
    Sandy Saddler

    Here's 12 contenders for the top 10 p4p of last 100 years. If you think Leonard makes the top 10, who are the weaker links in this list that he sneaks ahead of? I have some ideas but I'm curious to see what the forum thinks.
     
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  8. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what about our own more recent fighters like Floyd, Pac, Tyso
    many of our own modern fighters, Hagler, Jones, Foreman, Mayweather, Arguello, Bob Foster, Camacho, Pac, Tyson, Monzon,,, the list goes on and on
     
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  9. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bob Foster with his 14 defenses could definitely keep him out

    Even Mike Spinks, with his one loss to Leonard's three losses and outstanding reign at 175
     
  10. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    It's more or less a question of "Is Ray Sugar Leonard Top 10 P4P since ring magazine comes out?" (1924)
    As I think I have found at least one boxer who is P4P above Sugar Ray Leonard - I don't think Sugar Ray Leonard has been P4P top 10 in the last hundred years.
    Michael Jynx Spinks is above him, I would also mention Marciano.
     
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  11. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    Foreman, Foster, and Camacho over Leonard? That's interesting. I imagine you really don't like Leonard's lack of depth on his resume after his top 5 wins.
     
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  12. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    Ray Sugar Robinson, Maichael Jynx Spinks, Rocky Marciano, ...maybe even Joe Calzaghe...
     
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  13. Greg Price99

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    On this basis, my top 10 would be:

    1. SRR
    2. Armstrong
    3. Charles
    4. Duran
    5. Louis
    6. Ali
    7. Pep
    8. Ross
    9. Moore
    10. SRL

    so, yes, he just makes it.

    If I factored in all of Mickey Walker's career, pre and post 1926, then he'd enter this list at #8 and SRL would slip to #11.
     
  14. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Yeah, I think he makes it too, Greg. If we’re taking out Greb, Langford,
    Fitzsimmons, Joe Gans and prime Benny Leonard who are all top 10 or top 15 at worst, then that allows Leonard the space to make the top 10. Otherwise he’s around 15 all-time.
     
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  15. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    good close matches in which leonard proved to be just a bit stronger, more resourceful, and a bit tougher. except for the hagler fight in which I had to give it to Hagler. Since that was the case, I had Hagler move up over Leonard

    Yes, I would have liked to see him continue his career. wins over Starling would have meant nothiing as Starling didnt start out as a serious contender. But wins over Tyrone Trice, Simon Brown, maybe some more names, Pryor, would satisfy the public

    Compared to longer, more successful careers, 30+ bouts is far too short