The most unjust victory ever given to Ali

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  1. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    Norton 3
     
    ikrasevic, Jul 21, 2026 at 5:27 AM
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    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All Sonny had to do was get up if he wasn’t hurt.

    That fake-ass ‘rover roll over’ thing when he flopped after getting to one knee is all on Liston and that’s how he put himself in position for the way it ended.
     
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    When Ali fought Oran Jones...it was just one more marine that gave him trouble...
     
    Boxed Ears, Jul 21, 2026 at 5:42 AM
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    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Are you saying that Walcott delivered a normal count to Liston?
     
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    Actually, all Liston had to do was to get up before a count of “10” was tolled over him.

    All Ali had to do was to retreat to a neutral corner and stay put.

    All Walcott had do was to act independently as the referee, not listen to Fleischer and duly allow the fight to continue when Sonny was back up.

    The way it ended is all on Ali, Fleischer and Walcott. There’s nothing on Liston.
     
    Andre2000, Jul 21, 2026 at 3:47 PM
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    Name them and rank them in order of preference then.
     
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    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    1. Fight goes on.
    2. NC due to Walcotf blowing it.
    3. Ali DQ'd due to interference with the count and standing over Liston.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Norton 3 was criminal.

    Young was ugly.
     
    he grant, Jul 21, 2026 at 6:25 PM
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    The rationale for the stoppage was that Liston did not get up in time. That is 100% on him — and that fake rover rollover from when he got to one knee was the worst acting I have ever seen.

    The referee has the authority to stop a fight on a knockdown (or even where there is not one) without even beginning a count. You’ve seen it countless times (pun intended).
     
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    The ref didn’t nor did he intend to stop the fight upon the KD.

    When Liston did arise, Walcott was about to wave the fight back on just before he stepped away, to confer with Fleischer at ringside.

    Jersey Joe only stopped the fight after he was told that more than 10 seconds had expired whilst Liston was on the deck.

    A count was not duly applied therefore there was no “time” within which Liston was required to get back up.

    Again, there’s nothing on Liston whatsoever. It was all very much on Ali, Fleischer and Walcott.

    I liked the pun btw. :)
     
    Andre2000, Jul 21, 2026 at 8:39 PM
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    The rematch with Spinks was a convincing win for Ali. However, the fight was very boring, and Ali repeatedly grabbed and clinched with Spinks, much like he did in the rematch with Frazier.
     
    PolishAssasin, Jul 21, 2026 at 9:52 PM
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  12. Kid Bacon

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    My man Kenny was stolen blind by the Ali's circus.

    He should have gone 3 - 0 versus Ali.
     
    Kid Bacon, Jul 21, 2026 at 10:06 PM
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    Hi Buddy.
    I watched it in a cinema at 4am, and walked out after the 5th round.
    Mike.
     
    Mike Cannon, Jul 21, 2026 at 10:10 PM
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    I will never for the life of me guess why Young did that especially considering Ali isn't some big puncher and it was not like Young was in serious trouble.
     
    Cobra33, Jul 21, 2026 at 10:21 PM
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    Do you believe Liston's roll over was real? Or do you mean to say that it wasn't in any way on him that he didn't get up in time even though he chose to fake a roll over instead of simply getting up?
     
    Bokaj, Jul 22, 2026 at 6:11 AM
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