The most unjust victory ever given to Ali

Mike Cannon · Jul 23, 2026 at 10:10 PM

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I really like Ali’s punching display in the first Chuvalo fight. I think Ali was at his highest pre exile weight for that fight - 214 1/2 lbs?

Ali was really thumping George but that fact might’ve been diluted due to Chuvalo’s amazing chin. Still, I saw moments when I think he really hurt Chuvalo and had him backing up.

I can’t readily recall Ali’s weight for the 72 rematch but again he laid some decent power shots on Chuvalo and George’s reactions weren’t completely impervious in their nature. It’s a terrific fight but perhaps unfairly less heralded than some of Ali’s other post exile successes.

Perhaps after seeing Foreman stop a more jaded Chuvalo Ali thought he might have a chance of doing same? Of course Foreman was a different animal altogether, his power being sublime.

I think Ali also thought he had a chance of stopping Frazier in their rubber - he certainly was punching very purposefully during the opening 4 rounds or so and he did hurt Joe - but it was Joe and no matter the context, he would never yield to Ali so easily.
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Hi Buddy.
Just a few words to say how much I have enjoyed your postings, for such a short time here you have shown a very impressive insight and knowledge into all aspects of boxing, complemented by politeness and respect , you are a welcome addition to this wonderful forum.
stay safe Andre2000, chat soon.
Mike.

Bokaj · Jul 23, 2026 at 11:52 PM

Andre2000 said: ↑

The answer to your question had already been clearly covered in my previous posts.

I repeated that same answer in just the third paragraph of my reply to you. If you missed the answer and my prior post(s) that’s obviously not my fault.

Now you finally understand. Good.

You can ask a question but I am not confined to just answering that question in my reply nor am I precluded from addressing misnomers in your post (viz Liston didn’t get up “in time”).

There is obvious context to be taken on board, actions/reactions. Liston’s behaviours in Maine didn’t occur in a vacuum but they are being treated as such all too often.

I’ve made the point before that Ali himself later repeated those same behaviours (failing to retire to a neutral corner) against an entirely different opponent - Oscar Bonavena.

Ali zoomed in right by Liston just as he fell again, still failing to stay put, as seen clearly on the film. Liston could’ve easily caught Ali’s initial launch in his peripherals. Ali didn’t launch upon Liston falling back down, Ali was already on his way.

Again, the accent has been heavily on Liston’s behaviours only, not on those of Ali and Walcott’s.

I’ve said this before also: IF Ali wanted Liston to get back up so badly to avert any possible notions of a “fix”, why did he act like a lunatic, refusing to allow Liston due space in order to safely arise? Was Ali “faking”?

Again, all speculations aside, the irrefutable facts are that Ali and Walcott blatantly broke the rules while Liston did not break any rules.
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Don't think a word here has to do with what I wrote.

Andre2000 · Jul 24, 2026 at 1:01 AM

Mike Cannon said: ↑

Hi Buddy.
Just a few words to say how much I have enjoyed your postings, for such a short time here you have shown a very impressive insight and knowledge into all aspects of boxing, complemented by politeness and respect , you are a welcome addition to this wonderful forum.
stay safe Andre2000, chat soon.
Mike.
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Thanks Mike. Much appreciated.

JohnThomas1 · Jul 24, 2026 at 4:59 AM

Andre2000 said: ↑

I really like Ali’s punching display in the first Chuvalo fight. I think Ali was at his highest pre exile weight for that fight - 214 1/2 lbs?

Ali was really thumping George but that fact might’ve been diluted due to Chuvalo’s amazing chin. Still, I saw moments when I think he really hurt Chuvalo and had him backing up.

I can’t readily recall Ali’s weight for the 72 rematch but again he laid some decent power shots on Chuvalo and George’s reactions weren’t completely impervious in their nature. It’s a terrific fight but perhaps unfairly less heralded than some of Ali’s other post exile successes.

Perhaps after seeing Foreman stop a more jaded Chuvalo Ali thought he might have a chance of doing same? Of course Foreman was a different animal altogether, his power being sublime.

I think Ali also thought he had a chance of stopping Frazier in their rubber - he certainly was punching very purposefully during the opening 4 rounds or so and he did hurt Joe - but it was Joe and no matter the context, he would never yield to Ali so easily.
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That was an enjoyable read mate, and you made numerous fine points.

Andre2000 · Jul 24, 2026 at 2:55 PM

JohnThomas1 said: ↑

That was an enjoyable read mate, and you made numerous fine points.
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Thanks buddy.

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