Unpopular Opinion.Burns Gives Langford A Great Fight?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Tommy Burns gives Sam Langford a great fight imo,am I mistaken on this?
     
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  2. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    No I don't think your mistaken at all really.
    He had enough skill and grit to make it highly competitive.
    Id say it's a tough fight with Sam getting a close decision or a late stoppage ( depending on the length of the fight)
     
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  3. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Burns was good enough where if they fought a bunch of times there would be some good fights. Burns would get a KD here and there that leads to nothing. But Burns would also get destroyed plenty.
     
  4. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    Hello, mcvey.
    I do not think you are wrong. I would be a pretty good fight. I WOULD make Sam Lanford the favorite to win.
     
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  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Tommy's wife, Gracie, was actually a very accomplished chef, many people don't know. She had a special method she developed for roasts, whereby she would put a regular-sized roast in the oven, but only accompanied by a 75%-sized roast, or 75% of the regular size. Then, when the 75% roast began to burn, she knew that the regular-sized roast was then perfectly done. Sam Langford used to enjoy roasts of beef, for some context and some fun historical facts related to the thread, thank you.
     
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  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    Potentially he could have, especially in the realistic timeframe.
     
  7. RockyValdez

    RockyValdez Active Member Full Member

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    Was Burns any worse than Young Peter Jackson, Joe Jeanette, Jim Flynn, Colin Bell, Gunboat Smith, or Jim Johnson? Probably not. So if he was as good as they were and they were all able to beat or draw with a prime Langford then Id give Burns a decent shot prime for prime.
     
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  8. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A few things to remind you.
    "Draws" in this era mostly did not meet today's definition of a draw.

    Gunboat Smith was ATG level for like 2 years and pretty much forgot how to fight after that. Also Gunboats win was considered a "robbery". The whole group you are listing are generally fantastic. I'd pick Colin Bell to beat Joseph Parker.

    Langford was a teen when he fought Young Peter Jackson.

    Most of "boxing evolution" happened between 1905-1915 so Langford at the end of this period was on a totally different level then when he started. As was Jeanette as was Jim Flynn as was anyone who was good in 1905 who was still around.
     
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  9. Andre2000

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    I’d favour Langford but it could well be a nice barn burner for as long as it lasted.

    Physically, Burns was the Caucasian version of Sam with Tommy carrying his own measure of pop.

    A fight between the two would’ve been a Canadian local derby. Canada FTW.
     
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  10. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There were a lot of smaller(under 6 ft) guys with power in this era. This was the golden age of that archetype. Burns was not the only one.

    So far as white MW/HW power punchers go I think Schreck was better than Burns and Langford beat him easily. Root if he stuck around. Ketchel in a small sample size had HW power.

    Iron Hague didn't really get a chance to prove it because he stuck to the British scene but I think he might have been better than Burns. Remember he actually knocked Langford down in their title fight.
     
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  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Tommy was fearless, game as the day is long and had offensive weapons. He certainly would have provided a better effort than Ketchel IMO.
     
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  12. Andre2000

    Andre2000 Member Full Member

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    As the post just preceding mine stated, I think Burns would’ve provided as far stiffer competition for Sam than Ketchel did - and that was a cuffed Sam at it was.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Smith was an ATG?
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Hague never improved ,he wasn't in shape for most of his fights and relied solely on his big right hand. Hard to know how hard Shreck hit,imo.
     
  15. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I meant Schreck was better then most of the small power hitters not that he necessarily hit harder.