I still can't get over the Loma Haney robbery and I never will

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  1. NoChin

    NoChin Sir Jackson England Future World Champion Full Member

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    Kershaw Davis called out that massive weight bully.
     
  2. NoChin

    NoChin Sir Jackson England Future World Champion Full Member

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    This. Loma was robbed of greatness and history. But we all know he won that fight.
     
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  3. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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  4. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He didn't. Stop crying.
     
  5. Scar

    Scar VIP Member

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    If we're going to discuss "modern" robberies, Lomachenko vs Salido was way worse.
     
  6. LoveThis

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    Salido was kind of more obvious, but this was for undisputed against the way bigger haney who was very high on the list of talents. So it would have been a crowing win for lomachenkos career. Just awesome. Something to rewatch and remember his greatness. And he certainly won it.

    So to me this is the bigger shame.

    But salido is certainly a big shame, too.
     
  7. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Salido was a robbery for different reasons
     
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  8. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Old Loma beat a middleweight Haney and got robbed.

    I'm so glad he got humiliated and sat on his ass several times by that fairy Ryan Garcia THREE KNOCKDOWNS | Devin Haney vs. Ryan Garcia Fight Highlights . That's what happens when you fight someone your own size. Haney was so used to taking shots from tiny midgets, when gets hit by someone around his size and with power, he gets dropped every time he's hit. Garcia's showboating at the end of round 12 is just pure Karma
     
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  9. DobyZhee

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    Pacquiao vs Loma would be a dream come true
     
  10. NoChin

    NoChin Sir Jackson England Future World Champion Full Member

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    Pacquaio would get KTFO.
     
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  11. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    yes he did
     
  12. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    One of the least offensive “robberies” ever…. Loma had the edge in a close fight then decided to coast in the championship rounds while Dev went for it….

    That made me feel like the young man earned it - GRANTED I did not keep a scorecard.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Prepare yourselves my bros!:

    Not a robbery. It's an extremely close fight off these boards.

    The only meaningfully collective scoring database i've seen is Boxrec's. Nearly a 1000 scorers have it scored as an average: 113.26-114.52 in favour of Lomachenko. The collective difference, which is useful for screening out biases and weak scorers, has it to Lomachenko by a point. By contrast, Bradley-Pac 1, a real robbery, has a composite score line of 111.1-116.53, a difference of 5.4 points. A point for Loma - 5 points in favour of Pacquiao.

    Secondly, and just as important, the composite scores either 2 or 3 rounds in the entire fight that are not close. All of these go to Lomachenko in fairness, but that puts him 3-0 on clear rounds, with 9 rounds up for grabs - nine rounds that split people in such a way that it was impossible to see them clean. What this means is that while an optimal scorecard might be for Lomachenko, nine rounds are rounds that can reasonably be scored elsewhere, by this dataset. By contrast, in Bradley-Pac 1, Pacquiao won seven rounds clearly by the composite. 7-0. So there's no way to score the fight for Bradley, reasonably, it's impossible.

    However, it's just one dataset, so let's look at punchstats.

    More punches landed by round:
    Loma: 3,7,10,11,12
    Haney: 2,4,5,6,9,
    Even: 1,8,

    Tied (like my scorecard).

    More power punches landed by round:
    Loma:2,3,7,10,11,12
    Haney:1,4,5,6,8,9,

    6-6. Tied again.

    These are SO close. There just aren't the differences, in scoring, in punches, and by my eye, in the fight to call this a robbery. I did score the fight a second time and I did have it 115-113 to Loma second time around, but I also, like CBS from ringside, couldn't get over how many close and debateable rounds there were in the fight.

    I'm lost for an explanation as to why so many people are so upset about it, and when that happens I look for three things: punchstats (not interested normally but they can sometimes direct me to where i've gone wrong on my scorecard. The punchstats are very close); composite scoring (favours Lomachenko, barely, but note an astonishing 9 very close rounds, which is abnormal); ringside reporting, which as favoured Lomachenko, but almost always while noting how close so many of the rounds were.

    In the end, over the years, I've just come to think of it as a sort of fallacy of the internet, or certain corners of the internet, like Holyfield-Valuev.

    Anyway, didn't mean to upset anyone, just thought I'd mention it.
     
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  14. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Great post. I think the ruckus is just due to Loma having such a dedicated and huge fan base, and that his pro resume doesn’t really equal his talent….but who knows.

    He’s in a weird place of being an “under-achiever” despite being a great fighter. If he stayed at 126-130 he would have dominated and likely retired undefeated…..but against who? He dared to be great and sought challenges - giving up very clear size advantages to do so.
     
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I mean he's beloved on this board, because reasons, and there's nothing wrong with that, every board has its favourite fighters. Tbf, there was a lot of upset about this result beyond these boards, but i'm going to say: in my experience (which is limited) there were not a lot of people who had a scorecard you could look, that were scoring the fight round by round, in the stadium, that were that upset about it. So Roy Jones was cross, but didn't have a rbr. There was a fair bit of that.

    I also do think that an absolutely optimal card probably would have been for Loma, he did win two rounds on my scorecard very cleanly (Haney won 0 very cleanly), but there's a difference between that and what was claimed on his behalf in some spots online.