Fixed Fights

The reality is most professional boxing matches are "set ups". You could say boxing is as close to being rigged game without being a rigged game.

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"It's still real to me, dammit! "

 

There are a lot of fixed fights. We see them every month, or every week. There's no 'criminal conspiracy' or 'cover up' or 'potential scandal'. We just shrug our shoulders and move on.

 

About Ali/Liston 2, I've watched in slow mo and Ali definitely hits him like full stop and its pretty counter punch too. Now would it KO Liston? Probably not but who knows but Ali for sure good him with a good one.

 

Guy wanted me to throw a fight when I was 12 in front of the girls so he could impress them. I refused.

 

Maloney vs Franco.

30 minutes checking replay no head butt yet they still say he head butted Franco.

Farce.

 

Canelo vs Kovalev and Pacquiao vs Barrios were probably fixed.

 

Canelo Álvarez vs Gennady Golovkin 3

 

Been out of town so didn't get to respond to this until now, apologies.

None of this is evidence of a fix, my guy. It's your own little fantasy land. And the burden of proof is on you to prove the fight was fixed. I can't prove a negative.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. -- Christopher Hitchens

I do find it interesting that literally NO ONE with any legit credentials in the boxing community called this fight a fix. Plenty of them commented on Canelo slapping a hydration clause on Kovalev, Kovalev not having the normal amount of time between fights, Kovalev being old as **** and a drunk, etc., but NONE OF THEM claimed it was fixed. Not a single fighter, promoter, ref, judge, journalist, YouTuber, nobody was calling it fixed. So all of those guys who have infinitely more time in the sport, watching the sport, etc. saw a normal fight but you're the one guy who has it all figured out that Kovalev took an envelope full of cash to get splattered? You understand that's exactly the same way every nutjob and wacko feels about their own personal conspiracy theory, right? That maybe you should seek help? If you don't fix your critical thinking skills you're liable to end up drinking the koo-laid and putting a plastic bag over your head while waiting to be beamed up to the comet.

Also:

Did you just not actually watch the fight? In what world is this not a brutal knockout? The man got slumped and is dead asleep.

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- previous World Champion, Badou Jack

Nacho Beristain launches scathing criticism of Canelo Alvarez: "Rigged fights" | MARCA - legendary trainer of various Mexican greats

Try do a teeny tiny bit of reserach before making yourself look silly.

This is like debating a brick wall. A corrupt sport isn't going to allow this sort of fix evidence to leak. You use your eyes to watch the fight and determine whether a fight is fixed or not. You don't need to be a massive genius to see the blatant suspect performances. What you're expecting is some written/verbal evidence of someone saying it is a fix. Good luck on ever finding that

Again, below is my evidence, based on watching the fight with my own eyes. You can see Kovalev wasn't trying, putting no steam behind his punches. You claim this was due to him being drained etc, I claim that this justification is absolutely ridiculous. Let's leave it at that, because I think even if I found written/verbal evidence of a fix you'd try to find a way to deny it

 

Yeah, I expected something this pathetic from you. The stuff you're linking here as "evidence" actually proves my point.

Beristain is whining and moaning about Canelo's fights. However, he specifically says they're "half fixed" and that the guys he fights don't demand the best of him. He's made this whiny statement YEARS after the Kovalev fight where he had absolutely nothing to say about it in this interview or at the time. He's complaining after Canelo's fight with Scull. A fight where Scull ran from Canelo the entire night and was purposefully trying to not fight. Not really a fix is it. More like what I've been talking about where you pick a guy that ain't up to snuff so you know you'll get the win. THAT'S what Beristain is bitching about which is why he goes on a spiel about how expensive the tickets are to Canelo's fights and how it's unfair to charge those prices when you're fighting pushovers. Nothing that twit says in that interview is him claiming guys are getting envelopes full of cash to get knocked out cold.

Congrats on the Jack find though. You found the one guy who thinks the fight looked a little fishy. A guy who was fighting in the LHW division and might just have had his own reasons for wanting to badmouth the fight since he didn't end up with the payday to fight Canelo.

And here is where you've gone completely off the rails.

You ever heard the old Ben Franklin quote, "Three people can keep a secret, if two of them are dead." Humans can't keep their mouths shut. The truth always comes out. You can cover things up for awhile, but eventually someone is gonna spill the beans. And it's happened with fixing fights in boxing. We learned all about how the mob fixed fights for YEARS back in the day. We learned all about Jake Lamotta taking a dive against Billy Fox. And that's exactly why fights aren't straight up fixed anymore. Someone always squeals. And it's much easier to just pick the right opponents and butter up the judges with a wink and a nod than to be asking guys to dive. If you hear hoof beats think horses, not zebras. Why risk jail time, loss of licenses and ability to participate in the sport, and your reputation by paying guys off to dive when you can just slap a rehydration clause on 'em, have a friendly ref, and a panel full of judges working the fight on your dime who all want to get paid again the next time you put on a big fight?

But you see what you've done, don't you? According to what you've said, you're completely unwilling to entertain any scenario other than these fights are fixed. When someone asks you for evidence you claim you don't need any because there couldn't possibly be any! You sound just like a religious wackjob who claims God is real and coming back next Tuesday and you don't need any evidence to prove it. That's nonsense thinking.

And your claim that you just have to watch the fights to prove they're fixed is also just completely delusional. Can guys never have an off night in your mind? The oldest canard in boxing is that styles make fights. Can a certain boxer's style not confound their opponent and make them hesitant and put them off their game? Let me give an example. If we're going by your warped logic, Wladimir Klitschko vs. Tyson Fury was a fixed fight. This was one of the longest reigning HW champs of all-time. Dr. Freaking Steelhammer. And when he fought Fury he seemed scared to throw a punch! There are numerous points in that fight where he has wide open kill shots on Fury and just won't throw! Just like you claim with Kovalev, he was tentative and seemingly treating it like a sparring session. Therefore that fight CLEARLY must have been fixed so Fury would win, right?

I'm starting to think you just DKSAB. It's especially weird you've chosen to die on the hill of the Canelo/Kovalev fight. You keep saying that Kovalev was pitty pattying and not trying, but the dude was winning the fight. The judges were obviously in Canelo's pocket so he was behind on the official scorecards, but go check out the fan voting on BoxRec. They had it just like I did, with Kovalev being up 2 rounds before he got slept. Weird that a guy who agreed to take a dive would be working hard enough for most of the fans to think he was winning. And THEN to allow himself to be KO'd when the judges were clearly going to rob it for Canelo anyway just like they did against Triple G, etc.

And just as a parting point, you're kind of an *******. You do realize these are real people you're slandering right? Kovalev may be an alcoholic and I don't know much about how he comports himself towards others in real life, but he was a phenomenal boxer. For you to flippantly accuse him of being a cheat with nothing to back your claim up but your own dumbass feelings about how he fought a HoFer when he was old, dehydrated, and not in shape speaks volumes about your lack of character.

 

the mental gymnastics.

This is all well and good. But you still haven't explained why Kovalev was pitty pattying for 11 rounds at a much small, less rangier light middleweight yet Kovalev threw hard punches, actually fully extending his punches, on bigger guys (Yarde is a cruiserweight, and hits harder than Canelo) in his immediately preceding fights.

Tell me, do you think being weight drained makes it impossible for you to throw any hard punches, with intent for 11 rounds? Because that is what Kovalev did, against a much smaller guy. I'll ask you one question, can you find me a weight drained boxer that pitty pattied the whole fight against another boxer? I'd really like to see that. You are saying being weight drained effectively incapacitates you to throw ANY hard punches with intent for the whole fight.......Kovalev was undoubtedly just not trying hard

You can say all what you like about someone always squeals but I think that's an overconfident assumption. What is important is what is actually seen, because corrupt **** happens all the time without things being outed.

 

There's obviously an element of fixedness about almost any 'contender vs no-name' fight that would seem very strange to people who mostly watch other sports.

I'll try to focus on relatively 'big' fights though...

In its own way, Botha vs SBW was about the most dismally corrupt fight I've ever seen.

More recently, any Joshua or Fury 'tune up' fight seems to be scripted for a win for the bigger name fighter, with the opponent obliged to take their foot off the gas if they do damage, & if needed the judges required to do the rest.

 

Still with the Canelo/Kovalev idiocy? We literally witnessed a fighter's passing after 11 years of living in vegetative state, and there are morons who believe fighters would allow their opponents to throw a free 1-2 on their heads, which can literally kill people?

 

Of course a professional boxer might take a real punch to make a fix "real". Obviously there's an art to getting that right, no one 'faking' wants to take the full-force of the most brutal punch ever, but no one faking wants to make it look obviously fake and pathetic.

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