Manny Pacquaio overrated?

What a mad post. I remember on here many many years ago when people would put up posts about manny, hypothetically asking whether he could beat the likes of Ricky Hatton. People would take the **** out of the poster for even asking such an absurd question. Hatton was too big, too strong and would basically steam roll Manny.

Then when the idea of the cotto fight got floated around, people laughed even more.

Manny is a certified ATG. I think the bar has been lowered by a lot of the fighters from this passing generation, so how any fans today can look at a guy like manny and ask whether he is over rated, it’s beyond me. He paid his dues big time, and then you’ve got Terrence Crawford lauded as a god by today’s fans with a resume that doesn’t even come close to Mannys or Floyd’s.

 

There’s no confusion here. Why not fight at the 147 pound limit? If Paquiao wants to come in at 141 that has no bearing on his opponent coming in at the full divisional limit of 147 yet in the Cotto fight for example 145 was the limit. The issue is Pacquiao despite there being 18 divisions which btw is way too many wasn’t willing to let his opponent fight at the actual divisional limit. It absolutely cheapened the sport and puts an asterisk by those fights.

 

He fought Cotto at a weight restriction of 145……

 

Pac weight drained those opponents that’s why.

The Dehydration of those fighters was why they had China glass chin against Pac.

pac knew the formula.

 

So why aren’t you complaining about Mayweather, Hopkins, Canelo, and Sugar Ray Leonard doing the same thing as well? Are you saying that those guys have cheapened the sport and should have asterisks on their fights as well?

 

Rico will never call Manny a glass chin no matter how much he wants to..

 

Yep, that he did.

He often came in below the 147 lb limit. Most of his fights were at the 140 limit.

In fact, in the fight immediately prior to his Pac fight, he came in at 146 in a fight where he could have come in. at 147.

So five months later he had to come in a lb to lighter....oh the humanity !

 

People laughed at Pac's chance against Oscar when they fought. Being on the board at the time, I'd say 70-80% picked Oscar. After Pac retired him, all the excuses came out.

 

To be fair though ODLH hadn't fought at Welterweight in almost a decade.

I know without hindsight ODLH looks like the favourite due to the size difference.

But really ODLH was a walking zombie in that fight and didn't resemble at all a prime ODLH.

And don't get me wrong I like Pacquaio but the excuses for ODLH are quite valid in this case IMO.

 

Wasn't Hopkins the one that was coming down in weight in his catch weight bouts? So wouldn't he of been the one at a disadvantage?

 

Hey for a cash out fight I would have done the same.
Thankful for Oscar for passing the torch.

 

His complaint was that Pacquiao fought Cotto at 145 and was suggesting that Cotto was "drained" and "weakened" from a measly 2 lb difference. When Hopkins fought ODLH it was for his 160 title and fought at 158 lb catchweight. By that logic Hopkins would have been also been considered "weakened" as well but he ended up winning that fight in one sided fashion. Hopkins' next fight was at a catchweight against Winky Wright at 170, a 4 lb difference to when Hopkins fought Tarver one fight prior. He ended up winning again. His next catchweight fight was against Pavlik at 170 where it was a 3 lb difference to when Hopkins fought Calzaghe prior. Point being that the catchweight did nothing to make any difference. Pac would have beaten Cotto regardless if it was at 147 just as Hopkins would have always beaten ODLH, Wright and Pavlik at the 175 limit. The thing with Hopkins' 3 catchweight fights was that he was still the bigger fighter while ODLH, Wright, and Pavlik were the ones coming up in weight to challenge him. Hopkins had the size advantage in his favor and he ended up winning those fights. So this dispels the notion that catchweights "weakens" the bigger fighter, at least in regards to the Cotto and Margarito fights. ODLH is an exception since he elected to fight down to 147 which he hasn't fought for a long time but be as it may he still picked Pacquiao to fight him and agreed to fight at that weight to make it happen. Pacquiao on the other hand was considered the "smaller" fighter in his notable catchweight fights against ODLH, Cotto, and Margarito.

 

Yeah this fight is always the first that comes to mind when I think of a fighter no longer being able to "pull the trigger", this and Kovalev vs Canelo.

Two fighters known for explosiveness with absolutely no zip on anything they did. They even looked bad physically too.

 

Pacman is underated he tested the limits of his boxing ability across many weight classes despite losses.

If you lose in boxing I see it as plus if you have a fighting spirit. Only Inoue and maybe Usyk fall in that category. Inoue needs to go to 126 and see how he fairs against much bigger fighters but he is one with a rare fighting spirit.

In the new gen Haney and Boots have potential. Haney I'd like to see at 160 and 154 and Boots up to 168. Crawford is very skilled but with his size and skill I would have liked him testing in higher divisions, Canelo win is impressive but a prime Canelo stops him.

Depends on your definition for me it's how far you go beyond your weight class and take wins and losses and how you come back the next fight and after a knockdown. Chavez and other legends are fighters unlike some of the fighters todays

 

Crawford beats any version of Canelo