Moses Itauma vs. Filip Hrgović & Sam Noakes vs. Denys Berinchyk + Nelson Hysa vs. Thomas Narmo RBR.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Hey, I said Verhoeven was going to give Usyk problems, due to his style. So that was more of a RIco thing than an Usyk thing. Itauma wouldn't have brought anything to the tale that Usyk wasn't thoroughly prepared for, especially not that kind of pressure and high guard defense. Even in the amateurs, guys like Nistor and Beterbiev gave him fits, and Rico studied them. Itauma isn't that versatile.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    "I'm simple. I want to hold my belt. I don't want to party. I haven't seen my wife for 10 weeks. I want a little bit of junk food, few cokes, that's it." It's hard not to feel for Hrgovic who upset the applecart in a fight everyone wanted him to lose. A good guy I think, a big dumb good guy whose fulfilled a life's dream.
     
  3. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    Good night everyone. Great fight. And don't forget that Filip said before the fight that his toolkit also included a Bible. He also stated that the strength he had yet to find wasn't his own. Faith works miracles.

    The guy did what he had to do. In a fight where almost everyone had written him off, he won against someone who was already being put on a pedestal.

    A very valuable victory.
     
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  4. David B

    David B Nazi Russia lies. This is the only truth. Full Member

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    Frank has no right to be mad, acting surprised and covering the camera like he wasn't the guy who built this kid up look like he is the best thing since sliced bread, giving him 13 cans 1 journeyman and then sending him to a championship fight where he hasn't seen past round 6 till then. Don't know how they didn't prepare him for 12 rounds or where realy should the blame go for that matter. Hope Moses is ok and recovers quickly.
     
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  5. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Yeah, impressionable lemmings who lap up the hype. Why exactly do you think Filip will lose his title? He's lost once, and that was because Dubois was dirty as all hell and allowed to headbutt him senseless. Filip under Sanchez has been getting better and better by the fight. Filip will mangle Dubois in a rematch and I picked Dubois to beat that version of him the first time. Having a dreadfully boring dead eyed droning ****wit muttering into a mic with zero passion after flurrying on guys to a British stoppage, brings nothing to the sport. Best to see the dreams shattered now than later. Moses is not entertaining to watch, and never has been. He's twice the robot you seem to think Filip is.
     
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  6. David B

    David B Nazi Russia lies. This is the only truth. Full Member

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    Wanna see a quote Frank made to a Yahoo sports writer before the fight?

    "I know what he's capable of," Warren told me. "He is a [Lionel] Messi, he is a LeBron [James], he is a [Michael] Phelps, he is a Tiger Woods. He is a once-in-a-generation talent who will be a cultural sporting icon, worldwide. There's no doubt in my mind."

    Source: https://sports.yahoo.com/boxing/art...s-next-big-thing-filip-hrgovic-004848373.html
     
  7. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Itauma did a very good impression of Jim Peters at the end.
     
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  8. velagod

    velagod Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah this whole notion about only hrgovic could of done that is bollocks, like you pointed out usyk for example would of made him miss more, others like say a kabyel would of had him on back foot more and tagging moses more.

    Hrgovic has an amazing chin no ****ing doubt but he’s not hard to hit and he’s not a big puncher. Others could of done something but in a variety of different ways.
     
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  9. Special K

    Special K Active Member Full Member

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    What? The towel was in.
     
  10. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm catching up. For some reason on my PC the pages stopped loading & had to go to my cell to follow.

    Many are blaming Moses loss to his inexperience and well, stupidity. That if he paced himself, he'd likely get a pts W.
    What did Filip often say in the build up? He has the experience and can take a punch, Can Moses take many heavy shots?

    How many of us have actually boxed - and at that level? Who here knows how Moses FELT in uncharted waters against an iron jawed opponent?
    Exactly, essentially NOBODY.

    Give Hrgović his due!

    Glad to see so many Itauma frontrunners making lame exuses. I do think Itauma has a big future and likely wins a HW belt. Not so sure he can unify.
     
  11. kirk

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    I mean man, youre just objectively wrong on this lol.

    You can say Moses brings nothing to the sport, but the metrics speak for themselves. Hes clearly popular (relative to Filip), he clearly puts on exciting performances, and he clearly draws new energy to the sport (relative to Filip).

    I dont know how we are arguing over objective data here lol.

    You can insult the people he draws to the sport, but this is how boxing has always functioned, it relies on its stars to bring in young or new fans, who come for the hype and stay for the sport. Hype has always fueled boxing.

    youre arguing that an undefeated, more exciting more dynamic ko puncher whose youth, style and mystique would have objectively brought more to the sport than the stylistically uninsteresting and generally unpopular Filip.

    You seem to care a lot about how a fighter is on the mic. Most people dont care about that if the fighter isnt like that inside the ring, which Moses isnt. Plenty of fighters have been good for the sport while not being good on a mic.

    I havent been paying attention so I dont know what youre view on them was before this conversation but its clear to me now youre massively anti moses, which makes you massively biased in this conversation. Ive known you long enough to know when you get this biased youre not looking at things objectively. And i dont care about this conversation enough to keep going with it lol.

    If you think the 34 year old boring Filip that has next to no fan following and brings literally nothing to the sport is better than a 21 year old dynamic champion who is actively attracting energy to the sport, idk what else to tell you.

    Agree to disagree lol.

    As for if Filip will lose again soon or not, well we can bump this conversation after his next 3 fights against top 4 ring rated fighters have happened and see who turns out right. If he still has his title in two years and having faced a couple top guys Ill come eat my crow.
     
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  12. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    What British Next Big Thing isn't? Come on man, you're been watching this sport long enough to have seen this story before Moses is not special like everyone claimed he was and today that was proven. Too bad, so sad, move on! The man had "impressive" wins over Whyte, Franklin and McKean for **** sake!:lol: It was ALL HYPE! If he wasn't exposed today, he'd be exposed next time. You're letting your emotions get the best of you. You did this after the Usyk match too. No need to bum yourself out. Moses simply isn't worth it.
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Boots Ennis would never lose like that lmao
     
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  14. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    After watching this bout I think Itauma has all the good physically (not sure about mentally...) but I must admit, as someone who picked Hrgovic ages ago, that this was immensely satisfying to watch. Over here in the UK the hype has been absolutely ridiculous. In fact, in terms of hype: achievement ratio I think he is possibly the worst hype (and fall) I've seen. The Warren interview saying he'll be a worldwide cultural phenom and better than Tyson being one of many examples. Not to mention commentator brown nosing. Much worse than AJ's imo despite the fact AJ gets ragged on far more for it.

    Also loving the new sneaky left hand body shots Hrgovic has been implementing lately.
     
  15. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    I don't know that everyone necessarily wanted him to lose - but most expected him to... Because he's essentially a gatekeeper with a great chin, and we've been told for a couple of years now that Itauma was a dominant champion in the making - it was understandable that it was seen as inevitable by many.

    It's still entirely possible that Itauma learns from this as Dubois did from Joyce...

    But the kid doesn't have a great chin - Hrgovic wouldn't have been able to stop him if he did.

    Itauma can still be successful as a glass cannon up to a point, but he's not looking like he has the attributes to make a dominant champion.
     
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