Developing stamina takes years, decades. Itauma's problems aren't simple

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  1. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm seeing a lot of misinformed opinions after Hrgo beat Itauma. The idea that you can just "add more cardio" for a few camps is totally wrong. First, much cardio ability is genetic. They've studied runners and cyclists - regular people are born with cardio level A, while cardio superstars have 3x what A is. Itauma may be on the less advantaged side of this.

    Second thing is that this base, deep cardio takes a really, really long time to build. Guys like Usyk have been doing massive weeks of dedicated cardio for 20 years, then sparring long enough sessions to go into deep waters regularly. This part isn't a quick fix, it's a long term project.

    The last thing is the style of Itauma is very inefficient. He hops when he throws a 1-2-3. He overexaggerates defensive maneuvers. He doesn't take the steam off a punch that isn't going to land. Obviously throwing bombs with no variety for 8 rounds is foolish if you can't sustain it, but he doesn't know how else to fight. This fight exposed skill and IQ issues as well, which, again, isn't so simple to fix.

    The slower he starts, the more his opponent engages, the more Itauma has to worry about defending, the less effective he is, etc.

    I think Itauma has real potential, but his rebuild process needs to be over 3-4 years, not 1-2. He is missing some critical fundamentals. A new trainer is obviously needed. I'm tired of pointing out the ineptitude of Boxercise Ben, so I'll leave that to others.
     
  2. NoChin

    NoChin Jamal Adams - I'm the best in the nAAAAAYSHON!!!! Full Member

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    Itauma needs a lung transplant.
     
  3. Cornucopia

    Cornucopia Member Full Member

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    If Itauma has bad genetics for endurance OK, but he did not train for 12 rounds or spar that long-ever it seems
    But why whould it take years to develop cardio?
    Usyk & others have done it forever, but that does not mean it took years to develop.

    Please tell us what you mean by "deep cardio", & why if he trained completely differently, with hard cardio & interval training & long sparring sessions with enough recovery, good nutrition...
    Why should he not get most of the benefits with say 6 months?

    I have not seen endurance to take so long to develops what else you pointed out, a bunch of related issues which takes mucho planning, rehabituation, practice...as totally changing a style & learning how to fight at a different pace, adapt on the fly, change & restrain his attack etc.

    But unless he has say fast-twitch muscle fiber limitations (although Tyson did not), we cannot assume poor genetics when itauma just did not work on it!
    Also, like Foreman in his first career, he was too emotional, stressed, & tightly wound.
    Relaxing more would help his stamina.
     
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  4. Jacdaniel

    Jacdaniel Member Full Member

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    I agree that it’s not easy to fix. It’s not even like he took huge shots in there, he was just exhausted.
    It reminded me of Conor McGregor in UFC. Unbelievable KO power for 10 mins or so. But if his opponent wasn’t out of there by then, the heavy breathing started and he was vulnerable. Usually lost from there.
     
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  5. alpo1

    alpo1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he conserves himself, he's not the same Moses.

    He's used to fighting this explosive style to blitz bigger men. If he slows it down he'll be getting hit more by his opponents also which will still wear him down.

    It'll be interesting how he comes back because getting stretchered for bad cardio is crazy for a 21 year old. It might have taken something out of him.
     
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  6. NoChin

    NoChin Jamal Adams - I'm the best in the nAAAAAYSHON!!!! Full Member

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    Agreed on cardio takes years to build. That's bull****.
     
  7. Sammy123

    Sammy123 Money Maker Staff Member

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    If it was that easy to fix endurance Frank Bruno would have been the greatest heavyweight of all time.
     
  8. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He needs to get with Bo Mac and get rid of Ben Davison


    Unless Itauma was just not listening to Davison
     
  9. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    He's obviously an inconsistent trainer. My guess is that he goes from training camp to doing little to nothing in his off season. The mitochondrial adaptions from cardio training can be lost as quickly as 2 weeks. Keep in mind that it takes 6-8 weeks (basically a training camp) to see noticeable improvements in density, and that it can takes months if not years of consistent training (no weeks off) for permanent increases in actual volume. It doesn't have to be hard work but it does need to be consistent and stimulating enough.

    This is why beasts like Mayweather and Usyk were always doing constant cardio training even out of camp. It's why young boxers from a good gym are basically forced to constantly run and have constant bouts. Adding to this is that Itauma is obviously predisposed to quick burst anyway. Alongside conditioning he needs to learn how to pick his spots and stall if necessary. Canelo would be a good style for him to learn from imo.
     
  10. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member

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    When you build up ego instead of building techniques. This all goes back to lining up fights for KO highlights. Those fights didn't prepare them for fights with season vet that can take the onslaught and still be there and dangerous for all 12 rnds. The way Itauma was being brought up reminded me a lot of Torrez. They weren't learning anything except unloading power punches.
     
  11. Cornucopia

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    Bruno had other imperfections, but this brings up a good point.
    I recall him weighing in at a chiseled 247 vs. Tyson, at 6'3".
    Holding so much muscle limits how good cardio will get since it requires more oxygen.

    I checked to see how being shorter helps-consider Tyson, while 30 lbs. lighter he had around as much muscle per square inch.
    Being smaller overall means limbs have to move less distance requiring less energy.
    The body cools down easier (not cardio but can help).
    Having more surface area to body mass is an aerobic advantage.
    Less total work for the heart & circulatory system.

    So this is a consolation prize when so many other things favor greater size in power sports.
     
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  12. MetalLicker

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    I agree that building good cardio takes a while.

    That's why I'm very against the idea of an immediate rematch. You can't rush into fighting the same opponent that gave you problems without fixing the weaknesses first.

    Itauma didn't call for a rematch either, which is smart because he knows he has a lot of things to fix.
     
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  13. Csonnyliston

    Csonnyliston Undefeated P4P King of online arguments! Full Member

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    3 words:
    HIGH ALTITUDE TRAINING
     
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  14. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member

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    The other question is how dedicated has Itauma been to his training. Is his stamina **** cause he isn't putting in the work?
     
  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Three words ... He's a Quitter.

    Not training properly is an excuse for quitters.

    He's not some fat old man who boxes part time and has a full-time job outside the sport. He's 21-year-old pro athlete. He's made a lot of money in a short time. Everyone in the world, especially pro boxers, know endurance is part of boxing.

    If he won't train for distance fights ... it's just a built-in excuse for him to quit again.

    He was carried out of the ring and sent to the hospital with NO INJURIES Saturday. They released him shortly after he got there.

    Getting "too tired" and having to be carried out because you didn't train properly is embarrassing. But his fans are letting him off the hook.

    He threw all the punches he normally throws to win, got tired, and quit. He didn't suffer a concussion. Nothing was broken.

    He tried. It didn't work. And he quit. And they blamed it on training, which is what quitters say. "I'll train harder next time" is the quitters mantra.

    That's essentially what happened.
     
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