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Moses Itauma vs. Filip Hrgović & Sam Noakes vs. Denys Berinchyk + Nelson Hysa vs. Thomas Narmo RBR.

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The fans don't know any better and will never listen to reason and the money men only see $ signs. Everyone bangs on about how great Moses looks in the ring. He's so fast! He's so fluid! He throws all these combos! My response is, who cares? He's utterly deficient in all the things that make up a real championship level boxer. Conditioning, pacing, emotional stability, all the myriad technical skills you need like cutting off the ring, clinching, how to get a breather, how to adapt when your game plan isn't working, etc. He doesn't know any of that stuff because he's never had to.

After he knocked out that big useless lump McKean in a round and I saw a bunch of folks creaming their pants over him, I decided to go back and watch all his pro fights. Early on his people matched him up with two semi-legit foreigners. Dobvyshenko and Espinola. These guys don't even really rise to the level of unheralded journeymen, but they clearly had some experience and weren't just pulled in off the street. Durable guys, both of them, but utterly deficient everywhere else. Moses couldn't do a thing with either one. He bombed away every round and just couldn't shift these guys. You could see Itauma in there getting visibly frustrated that he couldn't get rid of them. Against Espinola he broke out in a flop sweat and started leaning all over the man because he was tired from swinging and getting nowhere. Both of those were six round fights. That was three years ago and Moses hasn't changed a bit. He's still doing the exact same things and still having the exact same problems.

Personally, I think he has serious attitude issues and isn't doing what he needs to to improve and is just relying on his size and athleticism. However, it's beyond obvious he's not being helped by the people around him. How is it in three years no one has taught/forced this kid to chill the F out and just box? How in the blue hell do you ok a game plan that involves trying to knock out Flip Hrgovic? This man took punches off Zhang and went nowhere. He took punches off Dubois PLUS a zillion brutal headbutts and never even got wobbled. But you're going to knock him out? Are you serious, Clark? The entire game plan should have been to jab Hergy's face off with a few solid lefts thrown in, move around, and out-point him. Instead, Fraudster Davison watched his guy go out there and throw nothing but 100% speed/effort power shots up until he had to be stretchered out of the arena.

Obviously he has a lot of time since he's only 21 and people will be invested in seeing him make a comeback, but I have much less confidence that he turns out to be an all-timer. I wasn't sold on him before and I'm less sold on him now. His gas tank issues are serious and not an easy fix, especially since his entire fighting style is tied up in pushing a pace he can't sustain. So he's got to completely rework himself. Can you turn Usain Bolt into an elite distance runner? I don't know if it's possible. Furthermore, he just doesn't strike me as the thoughtful, ultra committed type who could really buckle down and make it happen. Finally, unless he gets away from Boxercise Ben he's cooked anyway. He's learning nothing there and they've already shown they can't/won't fix his issues. Wlad had the same problems and was able to turn his career around to become an ATG. However, he had Stewart to help him do it. This kid doesn't even have the Temu version of Stewart. So, I could definitely see him snagging a belt at some point. That's not all that hard to do. If Bermane Stiverne and Charles "Walking the Earth Like a God!" Martin can become HW champs, Itauma certainly can. But becoming the dominant HW of the post-Usyk era who reigns for years and puts himself in the convo with the best to ever do it? Yeah, that's gonna be a tough road to hoe.
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All what you say seems obvious now
For some reasons I didn't see it and thought nobody will handle that power. Well....

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Cyrion said: ↑

The fans don't know any better and will never listen to reason and the money men only see $ signs. Everyone bangs on about how great Moses looks in the ring. He's so fast! He's so fluid! He throws all these combos! My response is, who cares? He's utterly deficient in all the things that make up a real championship level boxer. Conditioning, pacing, emotional stability, all the myriad technical skills you need like cutting off the ring, clinching, how to get a breather, how to adapt when your game plan isn't working, etc. He doesn't know any of that stuff because he's never had to.

After he knocked out that big useless lump McKean in a round and I saw a bunch of folks creaming their pants over him, I decided to go back and watch all his pro fights. Early on his people matched him up with two semi-legit foreigners. Dobvyshenko and Espinola. These guys don't even really rise to the level of unheralded journeymen, but they clearly had some experience and weren't just pulled in off the street. Durable guys, both of them, but utterly deficient everywhere else. Moses couldn't do a thing with either one. He bombed away every round and just couldn't shift these guys. You could see Itauma in there getting visibly frustrated that he couldn't get rid of them. Against Espinola he broke out in a flop sweat and started leaning all over the man because he was tired from swinging and getting nowhere. Both of those were six round fights. That was three years ago and Moses hasn't changed a bit. He's still doing the exact same things and still having the exact same problems.

Personally, I think he has serious attitude issues and isn't doing what he needs to to improve and is just relying on his size and athleticism. However, it's beyond obvious he's not being helped by the people around him. How is it in three years no one has taught/forced this kid to chill the F out and just box? How in the blue hell do you ok a game plan that involves trying to knock out Flip Hrgovic? This man took punches off Zhang and went nowhere. He took punches off Dubois PLUS a zillion brutal headbutts and never even got wobbled. But you're going to knock him out? Are you serious, Clark? The entire game plan should have been to jab Hergy's face off with a few solid lefts thrown in, move around, and out-point him. Instead, Fraudster Davison watched his guy go out there and throw nothing but 100% speed/effort power shots up until he had to be stretchered out of the arena.

Obviously he has a lot of time since he's only 21 and people will be invested in seeing him make a comeback, but I have much less confidence that he turns out to be an all-timer. I wasn't sold on him before and I'm less sold on him now. His gas tank issues are serious and not an easy fix, especially since his entire fighting style is tied up in pushing a pace he can't sustain. So he's got to completely rework himself. Can you turn Usain Bolt into an elite distance runner? I don't know if it's possible. Furthermore, he just doesn't strike me as the thoughtful, ultra committed type who could really buckle down and make it happen. Finally, unless he gets away from Boxercise Ben he's cooked anyway. He's learning nothing there and they've already shown they can't/won't fix his issues. Wlad had the same problems and was able to turn his career around to become an ATG. However, he had Stewart to help him do it. This kid doesn't even have the Temu version of Stewart. So, I could definitely see him snagging a belt at some point. That's not all that hard to do. If Bermane Stiverne and Charles "Walking the Earth Like a God!" Martin can become HW champs, Itauma certainly can. But becoming the dominant HW of the post-Usyk era who reigns for years and puts himself in the convo with the best to ever do it? Yeah, that's gonna be a tough road to hoe.
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Great post

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I just seen what was supposedly Moses's post fight message video. Where he says he will be back and all the usual slogans.

Im hoping what i saw was an ai satire clip because just when I thought Moses couldnt be any more zombie like, he comes out with this vid.

If he didn't show periodically good reflexes in moments within his fights, Id swear this kid already has brain damage.

kirk, Aug 31, 2026 at 11:04 PM

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kirk said: ↑

I just seen what was supposedly Moses's post fight message video. Where he says he will be back and all the usual slogans.

Im hoping what i saw was an ai satire clip because just when I thought Moses couldnt be any more zombie like, he comes out with this vid.

If he didn't show periodically good reflexes in moments within his fights, Id swear this kid already has brain damage.
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It's very concerning. Itauma let down himself, his team and his country.

I wish him well.

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Hrgovic Fili-pped the script.

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Is Moses a pot head? anyone know?

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kirk said: ↑

I just seen what was supposedly Moses's post fight message video. Where he says he will be back and all the usual slogans.

Im hoping what i saw was an ai satire clip because just when I thought Moses couldnt be any more zombie like, he comes out with this vid.

If he didn't show periodically good reflexes in moments within his fights, Id swear this kid already has brain damage.
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In his defense, he's always seemed brain damaged. I wrote this in the lead up to the Whyte fight.

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Itauma is barely cognizant, he couldn't be anymore detached, dead inside and ambivalent if he tried. There's zero passion. I mean, does he even like being a boxer, or is this just a job to him? I can't stand these bland beyond words dead eyed emotionless Gen Z sociopaths, they're all soulless automatons with that patented Gen Z stare. It's abundantly clear that he's not going to know what to do or how to adjust when things go sideways. He'll blank out and shutdown mentally, kind of like that other mental midget Jared Anderson. While I have zero faith in him, damn I hope Dillian Whyte derails his hypetrain Saturday, for the good of the sport. Itauma makes Crawford's personality look dazzling by comparison.
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Itauma, Terence Crawford and Kaowi Leonard all have the same personality. Youtube Kaowi Leonards laugh. Hilarious.

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In his defense, he's always seemed brain damaged. I wrote this in the lead up to the Whyte fight.
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Unfortunately for us here in the UK, that's just how young people are these days

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Unfortunately for us here in the UK, that's just how young people are these days
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I only wish that zombified phenomenon was contained in the UK, unfortunately like the rage virus in 28 Days Later, it's a pandemic!

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Itauma is getting roasted like never before. He's a got damn pinata. But him and all his fan boys and the English media bought it on themselves.

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Hrgovic deserves more credit. There's a 1000 different threads on how itauma lost it. How about Hrgovic won it.

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punching bag????
watch his fights..
yes, he's taken shots, but he rolls with the punches a lot
he doesn't get enough credit for that
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rolls with punches lol... maybe when he was younger hes slow as hell in his mid 30s now.

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rolls with punches lol... maybe when he was younger hes slow as hell in his mid 30s now.
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watch his fights
even the itauma fight, and as much as itauma was throwing them, look at hrgovic's face after the fight
it doesn't look like he was pummelled..
yeah, he was marked up, but nothing too bad

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rolls with punches lol... maybe when he was younger hes slow as hell in his mid 30s now.
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What does that say about Itauma? Losing to a slow as hell guy.

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