The odd thing about Ben Davison, is that he did a good Job with Fury's return.

All he did was help Fury lose the weight. Fury already is very talented with a lot of natural ability.

 

The Wilder 1 fight was Fury doing what he already knew how to do (in considerably worse fashion than he’d done previously)

 

Davidsons corner instructions were not good.

Freddie Roach criticized Tyson Fury's corner work and tactics after Fury's 2018 draw against Deontay Wilder, claiming Fury could have won by knockout with a more aggressive approach

Roach stated on Fox Sports' Fair Game, “Ben was telling him to feint, feint and step back and I said to him 'why are you telling him to step back? Let this guy fight. He can get rid of this guy'.” -- [The Mirror].

He also questioned the logic behind giving a giant heavyweight the exact same cautious instructions given to smaller fighters on the undercard

 

Spot on. If I remember correctly, Freddie was the one to push Fury to get aggressive in the last round, laying the blueprint for the 2nd and 3rd fight.

 

I think Boxercize Ben is an appropriate nickname. I have no doubt he’s good at nutrition and physical fitness but that falls far short of being an actual boxing trainer. I think that’s one problem with boxing today - where are all the great trainers? They are mostly all gone and have been replaced with PE class teachers and physical fitness types that can hold pads so they call themselves a boxing trainer.

 

It would be interesting to know if he even had aspirations to become an actual trainer before the Fury comeback and draw. He obviously helped him massively lose the weight, and Tyson heaped a huge trust on him for that. However, Fury seems like a character who would think he can win without someone in his corner, so probably kept Ben there for the consistency of camp. He brought Freddie and Ricky along as the sure step though, but that then caused the clash of ideas

 

Boxercise has been dining out on that Fury story for close to a decade now. The way Fury handled Wilder in the 2nd fight, compared to the first, shows the difference between a proper trainer and a personal trainer. He's had a few horrible performances, but the worst one for me was Wardley vs Dubois. Wardley could've been badly, badly hurt in that fight; he was swaying all over the place. There was no reason at all to let him go out for round 10; it was horrific.

McCormack had it against Connah Walker, although that was a big step up for him, and it happened right at the end of the fight; a better trainer would've coached McCormack to a win in that one. Itauma didn't respect him enough to listen against Hrgovic, paid the worst price, and Wardley has no jab. A trainer without any serious authority is on very shaky ground. It's only a matter of time before someone in that stable gets horribly injured, it could happen to Wardley in the 2nd Dubois fight.

 

Trainers don't make fighters

Fury peaked in the 2nd Wilder fight when he properly used his size and stamina advantage to be an effective aggressor where as before he would be too defensive giving opponents needless breathing room.

 

And SugarHill ain't no stellar trainer, either. He was just smart enough to realize that Wilder can't box to save his life and would react extremely poorly to pressure while it also leaving him less room to windmill his punches. So Boxercise Ben couldn't make that simple observation and train his fighter towards that game plan. Just like how he can't make a simple observation that his fighter has a horrid gas tank and will fall to pieces if he can't blitz a dude out in the first half of a fight. And that Hrgovic is an iron jawed dude who probably can't be knocked out, certainly not in the first half. So he just blithely lets his fighter go out there with the exact same game plan he'd always used with no adjustments, no Plan B, nothing.

 

Totally agree. His fighters don't respect him, I think. They just go out and do their own thing and pay zero attention to what he's saying; Wardley is awful for it as well. That's not totally on Ben, but a trainer with no authority isn't going to last long at the championship level of the sport. I also think Wardley was lucky vs Parker too, he'd have ended up like Itauma in the 12th if the ref hadn't stepped in and waved it off prematurely.

 

Regarding Fury it wasnt exactly a simple realisation. I think most people would have had Fury boxing Wilder. Its kind of what Fury does. Add to that he was still easing back from his long lay off. I remember thinking it was too early to go for Wilder i think that was the narrative leading up to the fight as well.

Pretty sure it was Fury that came to the realisation near the end of the fight...to put Wilder on the back foot and moved to a more aggresive coach.

I think he made a mistake not pacing Moses better. But lets be honest.....Hrgovic himself said....he needed God to keep him in the fight. They very nearly got the job done with a 21 year old who was no where experienced enough for that fight on Saturday night.

The real fella that got it wrong was the matchmaker Warren. He saw pound signs and took the gamble. Bearing in mind only Mike Tysons actually done it quicker in the history of the whole division....with a lot better preparation fights. It was the real mistake far more than Ben or Moses made

 

This.