Hrgovic is a more talented fighter than Itauma

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  1. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    Well done to those who picked Hyrgovic, he did exactly what he said he'd do, took Itauma to deep water and drown him.

    Itauma should steer well clear of a Hyrgovic rematch, this is a loss that will substantially change Itauma as a fighter, the cloke of invincibility gone, the inevitable worry about his own stamina in future fights could really put the brakes on his drive to finish a fighter off that he's rocked.

    To gas out as badly as that will have a huge effect on Itaumas mentality going forward but at the same time vould end up a blessing in disguise. There's no doubt that Itauma learned more in this one fight than the rest of his career combined.

    Good luck to Hyrgovic, I really hope he gets the big fights he deserves now that he is at last calling the shots, I'd love to see him grab a money spinning fight with Fury or Joshua.
     
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  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is no one in boxing with a bigger incentive to lie to save Itauma's face than his boxing promoter. It has to be taken with a heap of salt.

    According to Warren, Itauma had a "leg injury" and that was why he was in the hospital. Do you believe that too? No doubt you do, you have proven time and time again to swallow any garbage you're fed from a mainstream source.
     
  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If they had both been 21 Hrgovic still likely wins over 12. Hrgo always had an iron chin, a ton of heart, good skills, he'd come in fit and focused for Itauma. He'd not have the same experience as he does now but he was still seasoned in the WSB, and he'd probably have a bit more speed and be less likely to cut. And the 34 version drowned Itauma in 9, it was not that close.
     
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  4. Serge

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    Yeah, thing is if they had a rematch and Moses won Hrgovic's age and experience advantage could be a huge disadvantage because of the amount of punishment he's taken over the course of his career, including 30 fights in the WSB and in the gym. Just a ridiculous amount of flush bombs and big shots from massive punchers, KO artists, the biggest punchers in the division and some of the biggest punchers ever. I'd rather have the 21 y/o way fresher with way less miles on his clock Hrgovic than this one whose chin has surely got to crack at some point
     
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  5. Redbeard7

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    I think 34 year old Hrgovic would likely beat 21 Hrgovic in a 12 rounder, simply because 34 Hrgo has much more experience and that goes a long way. But for me, Itauma lost on styles and attributes more than he did experience.

    I wouldn't agree on the 20's > 30's point at HW though. Many if not most hit their primes in their 30's these days. Only Mike Tyson would be legitimately favoured over Hrgovic at 21, and even then it would probably be a tough fight. Ali was going life and death with Doug Jones and Cooper at 21. Bowe was on his debut. Wlad was a year in the future removed from being KO'd by a journeyman. Fury was having wars with McDermott etc. etc.

    If there is a rematch any time soon that would massively favour Hrgovic as he has an enormous psychological advantage. Itauma would be in an even worse headspace, Hrgo even more confident, but probably not overconfident.
     
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  6. ZagorTeNej

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    Yeah but on the other hand, the vast majority of pros/experts also picked Itauma to beat Hrgovic, didn't they? They can be wrong.

    I think Itauma is more talented but also that they're very different fighters and that the gap isn't as big as advertised.

    Having such a granite chin as Hrgovic could be considered a talent (or a gift, attribute, whichever way you wanna phrase it). Heck, one of the big reasons Usyk has been doing so amazingly well against modern giants is that he also has a ridiculous chin (I've seen him eat a straight flush from AJ in their 2nd fight and continue like it's nothing).
     
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  7. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Watch out, cause spewing alternative facts from your alternate reality you living in already got you banned for a month, lol. I have no reason not to believe that Itauma wants a rematch - he knows why he lost, he know he can win it as he was dominating for 8 rounds and he has a lot of heart which was fully on display that night. Seems like a fighter that wants a rematch to me. I can care less about the leg injury.
     
  8. Redbeard7

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    If Itauma lacks brain, chin, heart and lungs, then he is something like a bigger, southpaw David Haye. I think people are underestimating his deficiencies, and if those are properly taken account of, he is not nearly as talented as advertised.

    David Price was much lower level ofc but he did have undeniable talent in a few areas. But he was not even a Euro level talent overall.
     
  9. Redbeard7

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    I got banned for quoting AJ's DM's to Eddie Chambers.

    This does not bother me as I like to speak freely and think for myself, rather than parroting approved narratives.

    Frank was lying about the "leg injury" and he was lying about this Jared Anderson 2.0 stretcher microphone-head clown wanting a rematch. He looked like Hrgo had taken his manhood when he read from that script a day later. I would not be surprised if "Moses" is never the same going forward.
     
  10. ZagorTeNej

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    I think his chin and heart are good, now stamina and pacing is a different matter obviously.

    He's still very much a work in progress at 21, we'll see.

    He failed at his first true test but he'll have enough time to recover from it and learn from it. Time will tell if he's the real deal or not.

    He'd benefit from a real coach instead of Ben Davison.
     
  11. Serge

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    I mean we know a 21 y/o Hrgovic's chin has so many miles or rather punches left to go before it would fail him, the 34 y/o version's chin could crack at any time and surely will much sooner than later if he keeps taking so many flush bombs from these big/huge punchers


    Moses' prime, like Tyson's, might be in his early to mid 20s and even though HWs mature later I'd much rather have a 25 y/o Usyk at HW than a 35 y/o one as his speed, reflexes and reaction times would be a lot sharper

    People say Hrgovic couldn't make improvements in a rematch but I don't believe that at all.
     
  12. Redbeard7

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    Idk. If I'm right, he doesn't take a good shot to head or body, his heart is not truly in the sport, and he is dumb as a bag of rocks, in addition to the sub-par engine.

    Ben is out of his depth, yes.
     
  13. MaccaveliMacc

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    I'm glad you're speaking freely for yourself, cause everybody can see how deluded you are in your worldview. And looking at how often you are catastrophically wrong about boxing, you're probably in for bigger surprises than Moses being the same going forward, lol.
     
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  14. Redbeard7

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    A 25 Usyk was getting a very controversial decision over Beterbiev in the Olympics. He was incredible in the WSB but he'd never gone past 5 rounds under the lights. The 34 year old Usyk who schooled AJ was a way more proven commodity. Or the 31 version who went undisputed at cruiser.

    Wlad and Lewis were better in their 30's than their 20's, throw in Vitali. Wilder and Povetkin too. AJ perhaps not but that was psychological. Fury perhaps not either but that was self-sabotage in large part.

    If anyone needs to worry about their prime going into their next few fights, it is Itauma. Hrgovic has more physical miles ofc but mentally, it is Itauma. And he doesn't have the mental constitution of a Hrgovic to deal with it in my opinion.
     
  15. Redbeard7

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    AJ's comments to Chambers were what they were. I find it interesting that mods on this board want to censor it. Why do you think that might be?

    I was an Itauma-sceptic and I made money on that lanky Polish gatekeeper beating fat Andy. You're the goober who trusts the word of Frank Warren, Eddie Hearn, sanctioning bodies and "official government statistics".