Tokyo (Jose Roman) George Foreman Vs. Tokyo James "Buster" Douglas

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Who wins?

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Interesting one, I need to ponder..

 

Quite a fight for both
George s strength, reach and pressure would make it harder for Buster to control the fight.
But Douglas has the great jab and mobility.
Icall it George early -Buster late.

 

Buster wins a clear but competitive decision, maybe, just maybe stops George late. I think this is a bad style match up for Foreman

 

I concur. Look at the way Foreman loaded up his shots. You can almost see him button mashing the controller to load up the power bar until it flashes. He isn't at all worried about Roman's ability to hurt him. Douglas hit a lot harder than Roman and his straighter punches will land faster than Foreman's big looping shots. Foreman's style is perfect for destroying little shrimps. Douglas was a big dude, probably bigger than Foreman himself, and technically much better. Douglas' jab for instance was crisp and hard, whereas Foreman was just flailing away. In my opinion this version of Douglas stops Foreman late.

 

Now THIS is a matchup! Potentially, the greatest heavyweight ever, who I rank up there with the greatest athlete ever (Secretariat) vs the fastest, biggest, most agile heavyweight of all time

 

Foreman stops Douglas.

Again I repeat this alot but people have it in their minds that Douglas only turned up for 1 fight vs Tyson.

When in reality Douglas only lost 1 fight between 1986-1990 up until the Tyson fight.

With stand out wins over Page, Berbick, McCall.

And a stand out performance vs Mike Williams where Douglas knocked his opponent down 3 times with a jab.

So Douglas had been in his prime for a few years coming into the Tyson fight.

The issue with Douglas despite all his talent is that if things aren't going his way. He can unravel quite quickly like he did vs Tucker when he was winning that fight.

Tyson only had 1 brief bit of success vs Douglas and yet Douglas almost lost that fight. And had to think about getting up in a fight he was easily dominating.

I think Douglas would have success vs Foreman but once Foreman starts to land on him he would get Douglas out of there between 6-8 IMO.

Douglas would also not have the big advantages he had over Tyson like a 5 inch height advantage and a staggering 12 inch reach advantage.

All in all I think Douglas is a bit too suspect in regards to his mental game. That he couldn't withstand the pressure and power of Foreman without crumbling eventually.

 

Come in Tokyo!

Foreman for me but of course he has to get the job done in, say, 6-7 rounds otherwise Buster takes over imo.

Sounds like an oversimplified analysis but really, that’s just how it is.

A Foreman fighting to his absolute strengths and confidently backing himself to end matters early is an extremely formidable prospect.

Ali was the first to defeat Foreman but absorption of extreme punishment was built into the strategy.

 

Foreman pulverizes and knocks out Douglas within 7 rounds. Foreman was relentless, kept a fast pace, could hurt Douglas to the head or body, plus, he had height, reach, and a very heavy jab to go along with it all.

 

Foreman uses pressure with the jab to get in and unload on Douglas, who wasn’t as fleet of foot as Jimmy Young or Ali.

 

Too bad we never saw Tokyo Secretariat!

 

Douglas can not beat Foreman because chin is not good enoujgh. He survived Tyson by the narrowest of margins. He had a 12 inch reach advantage against Tyson. With Foreman he's got 5.

 

Chatgpt picks Foreman in a difficult fighy

1990 Tokyo Buster Douglas vs. 1973 George Foreman is much closer than Douglas's overall career reputation might suggest. I’d lean Foreman about 55–45, probably by TKO around rounds 8–10, but Douglas winning a decision is very plausible.


Douglas that night was an unusually difficult heavyweight to fight. He was 6'4" and 231½ lb, substantially taller and a little heavier than the 1973 Foreman, and he boxed with an excellent long jab, quick combinations and much better movement than you'd expect from a man his size. Against Tyson, Douglas controlled distance for most of the fight, repeatedly tied Tyson up when necessary, recovered from the eighth-round knockdown, and stopped him in the tenth.

And stylistically, those weapons matter enormously against Foreman. Douglas doesn't have to come toward George like Frazier did. He can make George walk through a long jab, turn him, fire the right hand behind it and clinch when George gets close. Douglas's uppercut would also be useful when Foreman came in relatively upright.


That's why I wouldn't expect anything resembling Foreman–Frazier.
The problem for Douglas is what happens when George eventually gets his hands on him. Foreman's offense wasn't merely enormous punching power. He was very good at physically manipulating opponents—posting on their shoulders, pushing their guard out of position, steering them toward punches and making them repeatedly reset.

Against Douglas, I'd expect George to attack the body heavily too.
Douglas also expended quite a bit of energy maintaining that beautiful boxing rhythm against Tyson. Tyson pressured him, but Tyson was only about 5'10". Foreman presents Douglas with a completely different kind of physical stress: he's roughly Douglas's height, tremendously strong, and can hit him while also leaning, shoving and framing him.


The fight I picture is roughly:
Rounds 1–3: Douglas probably looks excellent. Jab, jab-right, lateral movement. He could actually win all three.


Rounds 4–6: Foreman starts timing the exits and getting Douglas closer to the ropes. Douglas still lands cleaner combinations, but George begins pounding his body and making every clinch physically taxing.


Rounds 7–9: this is the pivotal period. If Douglas is still moving freely, George could find himself significantly behind on points. If Douglas's legs start slowing, Foreman becomes increasingly terrifying.


And we know Tokyo Douglas could recover from serious adversity: Tyson dropped him hard in the eighth, yet Douglas came back to knock Tyson out two rounds later. So I wouldn't assume one Foreman bomb automatically ends things.

My outcomes would be approximately:
Foreman TKO/KO: 45%
Foreman decision: 10%
Douglas decision: 35%
Douglas TKO/KO: 10%


That last number isn't zero. Douglas was a genuine heavyweight puncher when he committed to combinations, and 1973 Foreman could be hit. If George became exhausted chasing a 6'4", 231-pound boxer for eight or nine rounds, Douglas could potentially hurt him with combinations.
So I'd take 1973 Foreman TKO 9, but the specific Douglas who showed up in Tokyo is one of the more troublesome stylistic opponents for young Foreman. He's much more dangerous to George than Douglas's career record makes him look.

 

Except for Gregorio Peralta (TKO 10), Foreman didn’t knock anyone out after the fifth round in his first career.

 

Very good analyses.
Except Foreman unfortunately has a dceent chance of tiring, & A.I. did not reflect his specific endurance issues, win or lose.
Also Douglas was "substantially" taller than Tyson, about 6".
A max of 1" taller than Foreman, although a much larger advantage in Wingspan.
But later it contradicts the first comment saying they are about the same height.

I have seen waaaaay worse A.I. inaccuracies though!