Why wasn't Calzaghe given more credit for his wins against RJJ and Hopkins?

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  1. Sammy123

    Sammy123 Money Maker Staff Member

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    I still feel Hopkins deserved the victory even if just by a point.
     
    Sammy123, Sep 16, 2026 at 7:17 AM
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  2. Philosopher

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    I thought BHop edged it but close enough it could go either way though.
     
    Philosopher, Sep 16, 2026 at 8:15 AM
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  3. gollumsluvslave

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    Not parroting anything if you know my post history. Mitchell's split decision loss to Ottke was controversial with many feeling Mitchell should have won. An SD for Ottke in Germany is not a great indication of a 'exemplary boxing lesson' . That said, I'd need to watch the contest again, I've seen it for donkeys.

    I don't think anyone disputes that Otkke should have lost to both Brewer and Reid though that I have seen
     
    gollumsluvslave, Sep 16, 2026 at 8:16 AM
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  4. Pimp C

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    Hopkins was a great win a shot to **** RJJ not so much.
     
    Pimp C, Sep 16, 2026 at 8:21 AM
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  5. MaccaveliMacc

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    What's your scorecard? I think B-Hop won 4 rounds tops in this fight.
     
    MaccaveliMacc, Sep 16, 2026 at 9:01 AM
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  6. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    Very easy fight to score. Hopkins was getting very frustrated late and looking to the ref for help. One of his favorite things to do. a tell tale sign he knew he was in real jeopardy of losing the fight.
     
    UnleashtheFURY, Sep 16, 2026 at 9:04 AM
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  7. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good (but very close) win against Hops, garbage win against RJJ
     
    The Real Lance, Sep 16, 2026 at 9:16 AM
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  8. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    Jones Jnr was shot to bits and very clearly so.
    Hopkins was a good win, though he was also past prime.
    I understand the argument that Calzaghe was not at his best either, at that juncture. But I think there's a black mark against his name in those fights because he did nothing to force them earlier. I don't believe it's a coincidence that those fights both happened AFTER Jones and Hopkins had been knocked off their perches - Jones massively so.
     
    KO_King, Sep 16, 2026 at 1:10 PM
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  9. Fitz56

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    Very good point and I should have noted the Ottke factor (but Ottke so forgettable). It was an absurd situation with him not once fighting out of Germany and ducking Joe on that account. I see Joe had actually fought in Germany once a bit earlier on and also in Denmark. They should have fought in Monaco. In any case together they tallied a hell of a lot of Welsh and German cab drivers. After a huge amateur career Ottke turned pro at 30 so then played it super safe never venturing from home as a pro and as you state knew to stay there and be sure to get the corrupt decisions from the Fatherland judges. Hardly the profile of 'world champ' and no doubt Joe Calz would have dominated.
     
    Fitz56, Sep 16, 2026 at 1:47 PM
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  10. slash

    slash Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man, Hopkins was 43 yrs old when he fought Calzaghe.

    and he was 51 yrs old when he fought Joseph Smith Jr.
     
    slash, Sep 16, 2026 at 2:14 PM
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