For me, these are the two hardest punchers p4p in the sport (especially among elite fighters) Who do you think hits harder?
Am I missing something here? Pac decks undeckable guys like MAB, Morales and JMM. What has Rafa done to get the vote over Pac? And Pac koed Sasakul at 112, Ledwaba at 122 so even if we are talking in P4P sense, this is a no brainer for me. Definitely Pac!
Right now id take Marquez at his weight over Pacquiao at 130 he isnt a 1 punch KO artist at that weight to me his right hook is good but he still relys alot on the straight left. Marquez seems to have more legitmate 1 punch KO power now even though he boxes more his lefthook,uppercut,straight right all have serious power behind it. Either way you cant go wrong as both are fantastic fighters with dynamite in the hands.
He didn't deck JMM. And Marquez stopped Austin, Johnson, and Vasquez in their primes. Morales certainly wasn't prime when Pacman beat him. So thats why Marquez gets consideration.
Pac didn't deck Marquez?? WTF? He decked him 3 times! Who the fukk is Austin? And Vaszquez quit due to nose bleeding!
We aren't counting KD's. Marquez has dropped alot of fighters. I am not counting those. JMM got up too...so no he didn't deck him. Who is Tim Austin? Look him up, trust me, he was a great fighter. Vasquez quit due to nose bleeding from a PUNCH. He was stopped. You aren't gonna count that but want to count JMM who wasn't stopped at all?
My thoughts exactly. Pacquaio's power at 126 and below was serious. It's still above average at 130, but he's become somewhat a volume puncher in this division, usually stopping opponents by an accumulation of punches rather than a few big shots like at smaller weights. Marquez was a concussive puncher at 118 and seems to have bought that same power up to 122. Every punch he throws is a bomb. Even his jab. He staggered Mabuza with it and broke Vasquez's nose with it. Marquez gets my vote as the hardest puncher in the sport P4P.
Pacs power is overrated. He stops more guys from an accumulation than from one punch power. He hits hard, but people talk him up like his ATG power.
I know who Austin is, the point is that he is no where in the level of the guys Pac beat. Great fighter?? I guess your threshold for classifying great fighters needs to be reviewed. Vasquez has been KD a lot of time, by so many fighters. Rafa bleeding his nose then later making him quit is no way as impressive display of power as Pac knocking JMM 3X.
He doesn't deck, he breaks people down. Marquez, pound for pound at least.. has to get the edge! I mean Marquez, he is one polished puncher, he can put you in coma with a left hook, right hook/straight right, uppercuts.. you name it. His combinations are just beautiful and Manny has that straight left which hurts but Marquez combinations are much better. I'm not trying to discredit Manny, he's got great power.. but not quite like Rafa!! :bbb
You kids prolly never saw Pac's one punch KOs if you think he is just a volume puncher. You expect him to KO bigger guys with ATG level of chin at 130 with 1 punch? Put Rafa against JMM, or the 122 versions of MAB or Morales and tell me that Rafa would KO them with just 1 punch.
What you consider impressive and what I consider impressive are different things then. Making a guy quit is more impressive then knocking someone down 3x and then nearly losing the fight. Tim Austin defended the bantamweight title 9 times. He was Rings top Bantamweight from 1998 till 2003 except for one year when he was #2. That's a great fighter. And yes, better than the version of Morales that Pacman beat.