Floyd Mayweather Jr or Julio Cesar Chavez at 130 and 135

OK. Point taken. I actually thought he gave Mayweather a pretty good fight. Some would argue that, but I wasn't expecting him to win anyway. I thought he gave a better fight and showed more heart than De La Hoya. De La Hoya wasn't willing to go out on his shield in an effort to win, Hatton was and did.

 

I don't thibk that DLH was naturally bigger then mayweather to an extent that it made a difference. Bigger on fight night maybe but DLH's best years were past him...

Chavez seems to be getting short changed here.

 

I think people naturally remember the more recent performances. Chavez had many big fights at 140/147 with mixed results. He was an incredible fighter at 130 and for his short stay at 135.

 

At 130lbs I think it could go either way but at 135lbs Chavez via stoppage and for those comparing a Chavez vs Mayweather fight to Chavez vs Whitaker need to remember Pernell and Floyd have very different style and that fight was at 147lbs not 130lbs and 135lbs were Chavez was at his best.

 

Mayweather's style is different from Whitaker's but both were equally tough to hit at welterweight. Mayweather IMO can easily fight Chavez within range combined with some movement and outscore him. And once Chavez got into his zone Mayweather has the defense to negate his work best work.

It would be a tougher fight at the lower weights, but I still favour Mayweather providing he implements a Corrales type of strategy at 135lbs. While Corrales aint no Chavez at pressuring, it doesn't matter. He doesn't have anything in his arsenal to sustain any kind of significant pressure to trouble Mayweather on that kind of form. Mayweather was getting off so quickly and smoothly that night. Chavez's measured approach and straight up and down style would bode well for Mayweather to feast upon, more often than not.

 

My bad on that. I spent a couple of years not really keeping up with what was going on with boxing, and only started tuning back in within the last couple. So I was going by what I've seen of Mayweather, in which he generally relies as much on the philly shell shoulder rolls and deflecting punches as he does on movement. And in doing that, I've seen Floyd sometimes let himself be bullied to the ropes, sometimes in fights where he really didn't have any reason to let that happen. Doing that with N'dou and spending half a round deflecting punches with your shoulders and elbows is one thing. Doing it with Chavez is a whole other.

There's no doubt that spped and elusiveness is the style that is Chavez' achilles heel, but Mayweather better use it, because Chavez is in a whole different class from the brawlers and pressure fighters that Floyd fought. (I mean for ****'s sake, Hatton never made a single adjustment to the left hook that Floyd was catching him with all night long when Hatton was coming in. That is not happening to the JC Chavez that not only out-toughed Rosario in the trenches but also outclassed Rosario defensively).

All that having been said, and my bias as a Chavez fan aside, if Floyd uses his movement he can definitely earn himself a wide UD victory, but he better come in with the right gameplan and knowing he can't screw around.

 

Chavez was a very good defensive fighter below 140.

I think too many end up thinking about the past prime 140 and up Chavez for fantasy fights at lower weights.

it's tough to judge mayweather on the Corrales fight when comparing him to genuine greats, because CHico was the kind of unskilled, upright plodder that can make cuties look far better than have any right to look.

 

Mayweather is criminally underrated H2H.

 

The opposite is more often true. I wouldn't say he's underrated by anyone but certain pure haters.

 

Thats my opinion. The way I see it on here is that he's underrated H2H. No doubt he's overrated on the general. Well that goes without saying

 

I'd back Floyd to beat Chavez even though im a massive Chavez fan, Chavez had trouble with slick fighters, Taylor and Whitaker dominated him for much of they're fights and i rate Mayweather better than both of these guys, Mayweather unlike Taylor wouldnt have got tired half way through, he would have picked him off and his stamina would have seen him through the final rounds and with Mayweather's brilliant defensive skills, Chavez would have found it harder to break him down .... I would have liked to have seen Mayweather take on Duran at 135, that would have been a sensational fight and i have no idea who would have won that one, Duran was as hard as Chavez but for me a better boxer ....... Mayweather v Duran 135 is a dream fight

 

I would go with Mayweather to beat him at 130 definitely. 135 is more of a toss up.

 

Chavez's fight with Taylor and Whitaker were at 140 and 147 respectively. Chavez had dramatically different results at 140 and above, probably a combination of the weight and declining skills. Granted, he faced no one of the calibre of Whitaker at 135 or 130, but he dominated some very good fighters. As an example, he blew out Roger Mayweather in 2 at 130. Roger lasted 10 fairly close rounds with Chavez at 140.
I myself may be guilty of underrating Floyd Mayweather, but I think speculating that a fight with Duran at 135 would be a toss-up is overrating him.

 

Even though the thread is 'Floyd v Chavez at 130 and 135', its impossible to stick to them parameters when your judging a fight knowing that both fighters fought in higher weights, Chavez was better in the lower weights but Floyd was just as slick at these weights as he was at the higher ones. Theres no point in analysing a Floyd v Julio fight if your just going to take into account Chavez v Laporte, Chavez v Rosario or Chavez v Roger Mayweather .. The only reference for a Floyd v Chavez fight are Pernell and Meldrick ........ As for Floyd v Duran, that is a fascinating fight, i think Floyd would be competitive with most guys in history, i really think he is/was that good .... in the modern era I think Leonard beats him at 147 and Pryor at 140, but Duran at 135, im not so sure

 

I disagree with you on Pernell and Meldrick being the only reference. I'm not sure why you'd throw out his uncle Roger in this comparison. There are some stylistic similarities between Floyd and Roger, although Floyd is clearly better.
Having said that, I can respect your analysis of Duran despite not agreeing with it. I think Duran takes him, but interestingly, I would lean SLIGHTLY toward Floyd against Pryor. I just think Pryor had a few too many technical flaws that could be exploited by Mayweather. I agree Leonard would take him. Hey, if we all agreed about everything there wouldn't be much to talk about.