Jimmy Young Replaces Ali In Zaire...

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    A prime, motivated Young replaces Ali that hot night in Zaire.

    What happens? Young managed to stop Foreman from exhaustion. Ali did something similar in a far more explosive manner.

    Could Young pull off a even bigger upset here?
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Young did NOT stop Foreman ,after being dropped and nearly stopped he caught an incoming Foreman ,George missed a right uppercut,Young countered ,with Foreman coming in the velocity was emphasised ,Foreman went down on one knee for a count of 1,got up and resumed chasing "MR Safety First Young",but lost the decision.
    Ali beat George by laying on the ropes blocking as many punches as he could and absorbing those he couldn't,and countering with staight quick shots ,THIS IS NOT JIMMY YOUNG,NO WAY does Young try those tactics.He had less power than Ali ,and less durability .
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ugh, I meant dropped.

    Typo.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Easy done!
     
  5. younghypnotiq

    younghypnotiq Boxing Addict Full Member

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    no way does young survive the on comming forman the way ali did to stop him ..foreman would cut the ring off and pound away until the ref pulled him off a bloody and battered young ... let us not forget ...the foreman young got was foreman 2.0 .. forman 1.0 which ali got was a total different beast
     
  6. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Foreman never worked how to cut off the ring without being exposed to both counter and lead shots. Jimmy Young, with his educated footwork, could move around with minimal expenditure of energy in a way that Ali couldn't.

    The only differences in comparison to the 1977 fight would be that Foreman would be more aggressive and thus beaten up more by counter-punches during the early rounds; Young would also probably stop Foreman in the later rounds. He had Foreman's number and that's all there is to it.
     
  7. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    With Foremans two previous fights being the crushings of Frazier and Norton - Jimmy would not have had the same confidence going in, that he did meeting a Foreman who had lost to Ali, and almost got Ambushed by Lyle, and was to a degree going through the motions, Against the Ali version of Foreman I suspect Jimmy would of felt he was going to a public execution, his own and would not feel he could cheat the Hangman, I think when George catches Jimmy, Jimmy will go the way of Frazier and Norton, he might Run/last a round Longer, Also George would not be destracted by Ali'Esque Banter, or Bag of Tricks, so George would remain fully Focused on destruction

    Having it previous confirmed by Ali and Lyle that George was not the complete and utter destroyer of men was a very big Advantage to Jimmy when they met. it revealed a Blueprint could be adopted and adapted.
     
  8. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Wrong alias. :lol:





    I'd pick Young to beat that version of Foreman as well.

    Anyone who watches the tape will see that Foreman always was terribly flawed in his technique and a skillful, durable boxer like Young is perfect to capitalize on it. It won't be as spectacular or dramatic as what Ali did, but he'll win nonetheless, perhaps by stoppage if Foreman goes wild.
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think the humid heat, small ring and soggy canvas favours Foreman. He catches up with Young and finishes him.

    If Shavers could, then Foreman at his best could as well, especially considering the circumstances mentioned above.
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Say what you like about Foreman's flaws, and they are there, but he wasn't a same fighter after Zaire. I would pick a confident and prime Foreman against a vast majority of Heavyweight's including Young.
     
  11. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    How in the hell does the heat favor Foreman? It's one of the biggest things that doomed him in Zaire. Young already proved he could get Foreman falling over from exhaustion without heat stroke level temps in a 15 round fight.
     
  12. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, I don't think it's a matter of Young always having to stay away from Foreman. It's that Young gets off a punch or two, then gets control of George's arms and ties him up. Young's a harder guy to do the shove against than was Frazier. Also, the referee for the Young-Foreman fight was pretty strict with George. Then, too, George seemed to want to 'box' that night, and seemed not to try to use much of his (possible?) strength advantage.

    Anyways, against Zaire George, I don't really know how it would have turned out -- different referee, a somewhat different George ..........

    btw, if Johnson and George came along at the same time, I'd favor Papa Jack 3 outta 4.
     
  13. mcvey

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    Lets not get too carried away here this is the Jimmy Young who lost decisions to Randy Neuman ,twice to 11 and 12 fight Ossie Ocasio,and drew with Billy Aird
     
  14. radianttwilight

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    Foreman would've mauled him.

    The irony about the Rumble in the Jungle is that George was probably at his best as far as cutting off the ring.... it's just that Ali didn't move like he (and everyone else) expected him to.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Which dancers do you think made a sucker out of Foreman ? Given he had 81 fights and lost 5 ,3 of them when he was 42 to the reigning Champion,43 to a top contender,and 48 to a top contender,none of these were dancers . Ali beat Foreman by laying on the ropes and blocking as many as he could and absorbing the rest ,so which dancers made a sucker out of Foreman exactly? Young who was dropped in their fight and nearly kod in the 7th ? Please explain.