Tale of the tape - heavyweights

Good comedy, my friend.

A six foot Liston at 240 would be even more ponderous than the original version. Jeffries at 252 is just laughable. And the Bowling Ball you propose of Marciano is Saul Montana-esque.

 

Muscle weighs more than fat and look at 160 lb James Toney 238 at 5"9 too fat but he looked good at 200-210 (JIROV-HOLYFIELD fights) Problem with muscle is that it affects stamina, guys like Marciano,Jeffries,Foreman could gain weight if it was put on right and look better but it would affect there stamina

 

To understand why the old timer fighters were lighter, one must understand the times they lived in. There was no such thing as air conditioning back then. Transportation was no walk in the park. Life’s most mundane tasks required men to break a sweat. Manual labor was at its peak. The fighters themselves could go beyond 15 rounds. Fat fighters do not do well in distance fights. There was no such thing as processed fast food loaded with fats, and such.

Such conditions molded leaner and harder men built to go the distance.
If fighters like Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Dempsey, Louis, and Marciano were fighting today, they would be at least 10-15 pounds heavier. Modern fighters diets in general are not as good. With the maximum distance being 12 rounds, fighters focus more on building muscles for hitting power, then cardio exercises designed to help fighter’s go 15 rounds.

I do agree with poster Bummy Davis though. There is a thing as too much weight. How much is too much depends on the fighter’s height and body type.

 

While your argument is valid I think your estimates of how much muscle these guys could carry is a little optimistic. I would suggest the following are realistic (asuming they were totaly ripped)-

Liston at 225 lbs
Jeffries 230 lbs
Dempsey 210 lbs
Louis 220 lbs
Marciano 205 lbs
Baer 230 lbs
Tunney 210 lbs

Then again if you cut down the amout of roadwork they did to modern levels you could perhaps add 10 lbs to all of these figures albeit for no gain in performence.

 

Back then the good trainer established a good weight for the HEAVYWEIGHTS, even though it was not manditory, Joe Louis,Marciano,Dempsey etc. had to be cut, ripped and ready

 

Boxers have bigger legs now because they lift weights, which was frowned on up until the 1960s because of the "musclebound" myth.

 

I concur pretty much with what Bummy and Janitor have said so far in this thread - just thought i'd drop in two of the one's I always found funniest - that being Tyson's and Holy's heights - I have a friend who is bang on 6ft who met Tyson in Vegas 2 or 3 years back and he thought Tyson was about 3 or 4 inches shorter than him - he said he wasn't much taller than me (and I'm 5'8") - the photo he had with him confirmed that he was in the region of 3 to 4 inches shorter than him - 100% definately NOT the half inch shorter that his tale of the tape says

also holyfield for all of his cruiserweight days was listed as 6ft 1in yet after being 'scientifically' trained he had not only put on 20 pounds of pure muscle but he had suddenly grown an extra inch too haha I remember one sarcastic writer commenting that he must've been put in a grow bag lol

 

Yeah but Ali was wearing his nice thick soled shoes for that show in a vain attempt to not look quite as much of a short arse next to the human skyscraper

 

What height was Louis? A 220 Louis would destroy anyone that I have seen, I am guessing he was around 6ft 1.

 

Vitali is 6'6" , McCline 6'3.5". McCline is actually shorter than Wladimir whom is visibly shorter than Vitali , and Wladimir was even listed 6'5" vs Puritty.
Wladimir is 6'4.5" max.
Regarding the picture above , McCline is probably on high heels .

 

Toney is 5'8" , Roid 5'9" , Tyson 5'9"-5'9.5" , Tua 5'8-5'8.5"
Marciano was in no way a millimeter above 5'10" , probably half an inch less or even shorter , photos do lie.

 

Leadenly might be a more appropriate term

 

Good Post!
Jeffries often talked about how little a man of his bulk actually needed to keep in condition. I think he may have had the discipline of an early Marciano .

 

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