Fighters Who Were Missing That "Something"

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  1. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    Andrew Golota is the king of this.
     
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  2. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good call there..
     
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  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    If it wasn't things that Golota lacked it was bull**** calls against him and injuries.

    Bad combo.
     
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  4. AREA 53

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    Slammin Sammy Nesmith
     
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  5. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lionel Rose
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    Pretty much every heavyweight of the '80s.
     
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  6. stevexx28

    stevexx28 Active Member Full Member

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    Julian jackson-chin
    zab judah-discipline+chin
    tyson-mental toughness
     
    stevexx28, Nov 25, 2008
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  7. Jersey Joe

    Jersey Joe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What was he missing?
     
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  8. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A dislike for drugs?
     
    My2Sense, Nov 25, 2008
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  9. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Well due to immense talent he was proclaimed by many to be the next great Middleweight with many thinking he would end up the next Monzon/Hagler type figure in the division.

    He fell WAY WAY short so something was deffo missing IMO. But yes, drugs may have been one part of the problem. If so we could call it discipline.
     
    JohnThomas1, Nov 26, 2008
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  10. stonerose

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    another link, both got destroyed by lennox lewis .
     
    stonerose, Nov 26, 2008
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  11. 80s champs

    80s champs Active Member Full Member

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    Maybe Hearns with the chin and stamina,would have been one of the best ever!!!
     
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  12. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It still amazes me that David Tua has a great total of one title shot in his whole career, while John '19 seconds' has about 10.

    If Tua had Ruiz's dedication, determination, connections and sheer good fortune at times he surely would've held a title by now.
     
    DamonD, Nov 26, 2008
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  13. prime

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    Cleveland Williams. An imposing, terrifying puncher who lacked the mental fortitude to put it together.
     
    prime, Nov 26, 2008
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  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Since when was Cleveland William's mentally weak?

    Guy had a decent career after getting a hole blown in him with a 357. That hampered even Carlos Monzon. As in getting shot.
     
    Russell, Nov 26, 2008
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  15. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    The Big Cat gives me the impression of mental implosion when getting hurt against Liston and knocked down the first time against Ali.

    I'm not saying he had no heart or was "mentally weak". I said he seemed to "lack the mental fortitude to put it together". The topic is fighters who were missing "something". When a fighter comes up short every time he steps up against the best, that to me indicates a lack of the magic that makes champions.

    Williams was bombing Liston heavily and effectively in their second meeting, hurting him and coming quite close to imposing himself on Liston. But Sonny immediately roared back with tremendous shots of his own and quickly turned the tables on Williams, who suddenly folded, Bruno-style, and offered nothing more in return in being TKO'd within the same round.

    To me, Williams, a good man, lacked the "something" of a champ.
     
    prime, Nov 26, 2008
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