What the americans dont get about David Haye.

I've posted this here rather than in the British forum because I think that David Haye is no longer someone who can be thought of as a purely British prospect. He outgrew the domestic British scene a fair few years ago, arguably when he won the European cruiserweight title, definitely once he'd beaten Jean-Marc Mormeck.

I wanted to post it right after the Monte Barrett fight, but after giving the forum a bit of a scan I realized the general forum was too frenzied and vitriolic to try posting a serious Haye thread in. Maybe it still is? We'll see.

I want to let all the americans, and all the other people who hail from the vanquished nations of the earth outside of the colonies, in on the secret with David Haye. All the people on the British forum know this already, and now David Haye has become internationally recognised as a Heavyweight prospect it's time to reveal the secret to everyone.

I saw David Haye's pro debut. It was live on the BBC, off the back of his abortive campaign for gold at the Manchester commonwealth games in 2002. Before the fight started Richie Woodall, former WBC super-middleweight champion and Joe Calzaghe victim, gave his analysis. He said that that Haye was a powerful and athletic fighter with a deadly right hand and a suspect chin. He said that he will probably go on to knock a few good names out, and more than likely be knocked out himself. Since that day my analysis of Haye has barely deviated from what Woodall said that night.

The opponent was Tony Booth, a journeyman who's record at the time was 41-72-8. That's 121 fights. His current record is 52-105-9. There were people at ringside saying quite openly that Haye was being reckless in fighting a 100 fight veteran in his pro debut, and worse, a veteran who had been known to knock out good prospects. Tony Booth has fought absolutely everyone who's anyone in the UK from 175lbs upwards, go to boxrec and see yourself.

It makes me laugh when some people on the board flail around like histrionic gays high on angeldust screaming "Haye's got no chin, he's gonna get knocked out, he's got a low guard." Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you, but the difference is here that everyone in Britain who follows boxing has known this about David Haye since the day he first went pro. The posters most guilty of this behave as if they are privy to some secret knowledge about Haye, some weakness that they have spotted and thus feel compelled to shout at the top of their lungs about.

Let me explain clearly. Saying that David Haye has no chin and will get knocked out at some point against a big heavyweight puncher is like saying that at some point in the next 48 hours I'm going to have a ****. You're almost certainly right, but it doesn't make you nostradamus for pointing it out.

All the way through Haye's career the opponents have been of a higher standard than the usual prospect. Compare his resume with that of Enzo Maccarinelli and you shall see that. At nearly every fight he's had, including the one's with journeymen right at the start of his pro career, there are people saying that he may well get knocked out here and he has bitten off more than he could chew. I knew a guy who put 100 pounds on Haye to get knocked out by Arthur Williams. His reasoning was "Haye's only had 9 fights, he's insane to get in the ring against a veteran like Williams this early in his career." I dont fault his logic for a second. When he fought Carl Thompson there were the same doubts, but on that occasion the doubters had their day.

No matter. Haye went straight back into it and fought Glen Kelly, former Roy Jones victim and ranked around the top 20 at cruiserweight, and destroyed him. Another risky fight, and another win for Haye. And so it continues. Gurov was a risky fight. Mormeck was. Enzo Mac was. Monte Barrett was a really dangerous fight. Every single one of those fights had reasonable intelligent people saying that Haye could lose, and Haye won.

Sooner or later Haye will get knocked out, and all the pouting ***gots who prophesized this as though it were unexpected will gloat and say "I told you so, for I am the god of boxing analysis, bow down unto me and massage my prostate whilst I jerk off to video of Larry Merchant pushing that guy" whereas the reaction on the British forum will be "Haye got knocked the **** out. Awesome fight, can't wait to see him fight again!"

In conclusion, stop saying that David Haye is going to get knocked out. We know. We knew years ago. Infact he already has been knocked out. Get over it and enjoy the ride, coz once he's gone you'll be stuck with boring eastern european robots and fat americans. Appreciate the excitement whilst it last, coz it won't last long.

Apologies for length, I know that most opening posts in this forum are 2 sentences written in txtspk and Lolcats, I hope this isn't out of place here.