Fighters getting "old overnight"

It wasn't his age, just that he was spent. Vargas was finished by 29, age isn't the issue, it just happens with fighters and they don't have any juice left. Depends on lots of factors such as the fights they have had, lifestyle outside the ring, training habits, etc...

I would say it was more like 75% DLH being shot and 25% Pacman taking advantage of it.

It's not like Pacman hurt with single punches or even dropped him, it was just sheer volume and activity with DLH unable to even throw an effective jab. He winced everytime he got hit and through out a pawing jab as if he were a wounded animal trying to fend off another attack.

Like I said, had he been in there with a legit WW, he would have been stopped something fierce, not to take away from Manny, but he had defense whatsoever. just like Ali against Holmes and Spinks. Nothing but a punching bag with a few random flurries.

 

I already gave props to Pacman for a great victory, just telling it like it is. I like Pacman more than DLH, as he's super fun to watch, humble and a good dude....but I like to keep it logical and realistic. Reality is, DLH was shot and couldn't offer anything at all.

The whole point of the thread was to note how dramatic and drastic a fighters decline can become in prize fighting and last night was another example of this.

But all you *******s start taking it as some sort of attack and can't see the reality of it, and then make ridiculous claims that Manny would wipe the floor against Margarito, Williams, Cotto, etc.....

 

I agree with you in that a young and fast fighter is all wrong for an aging fighter. However I disagree with you on the speed issue. DLH was just that slow. David Diaz was faster than DLH was that night. Besides speed can be negated by counter punching as seen with JMM against Pacman. I would also argue that Cotto is faster at WW than Pacman.

We can't really tell how fast Pacman is at WW until he fights a young and fresh WW like himself. It's difficult to gauge his speed properly against and old and slow DLH.

Example: RJJ looked relatively fast against Trinidad, though that was very misleading because Trinidad was old and slow too. Against Calzaghe he looked like he was stuck in water.

If he fights say hatton next, who has a good speed, then we will no how much speed he has against a young and elite fighter like himself.

 

I agree with you. great fights at 140 and below with:

Hatton
JMM III
Campbell
Valero
Juan Diaz
Bradley
Holt/Torres winner
Judah

 

Completely different fight. Pavlik wasn't allowed to be in that fight by Hopkins. Pavlik threw punches and attacked, but Hopkins countered masterfully and controlled the ring.

Whereas DLH did not throw anything at all, no snap on punches, laid against the ropes and covered up, no footwork, no head movement, etc....

Was Roach, Manny's own trainer disrespectful to Manny, when he said that "DLH couldn't pull the trigger anymore and that's why he took the fight" or that "DLH had no legs, was hesitant and was shot after the fight?"

Manny's own trainer said that, you can find his quote anywhere online....