Does the weight issue drastically change anybody elses opinion of pac vs oscar?

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  1. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    This has been touched on in a few threadS,but anyway; If i'd known Oscar was going to be stupid and greedy enough to agree to such a dumb weight/penalty clause,there is no way i'd have picked him,no way! I thought weigh-in at 147 and then fully hydrate for fight night,...but 145 to 147?...WTF?.....Of course Pac battered him. I wish i'd known this(i heard rumours but i assumed Oscar told Roach to drill it)as i'd have lumped huge on Pac and looked like a boxing genius.Would anybody else have made a different pick,knowing this?
     
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  2. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This was a shocker. I would've never bet $1,600 on DLH if i had known this. I mean it's just unreal how things turned out like this. And what's even worse, the lighter weight didn't make him faster, it ruined his body.
     
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  3. brickfists

    brickfists The Nonpareil Full Member

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    NO.
    cause oscar fought as high as middle and pac only fought as high as lightweight.
    at the end of the day numbers dont mean anything regardless of wat it said on the scales oscar was by far the bigger man in the ring. its called natural size like paul williams or margo both are huge and look like middleweights but there welters.

    so in my oppinion comin in smaller only helped oscars chances cause he had some more speed to help him slip the shots a bit better if he was any heavyier he wouldve been alot slower and wouldnt of made it to 6th let alone the 9th
     
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  4. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    There are a few things wrong with that Brick; Oscar fighting as high as MW reinforces the idea that he was as weak as a kitten here,surely? "Numbers dont mean anything",but losing weight to unhealthy degrees sure as hell does...he didnt burn off numbers,he burned off muscle and natural weight.Thats like saying to a guy in a concentration camp-"youre only 105 Lbs now,but remember,numbers dont mean anything,you'll be ok"..extreme example,but thats the logic. Oscar wasnt the bigger man in the ring,he was lighter against a guy who is naturally smaller than him.He weighed less than a much smaller(and in shape)man.That cant be healthy.A naturally bigger man weighed less than he did.....He MADE him self smaller,to his cost. Yep,PW and AM are huge WW's,but they dont struggle and then stay at 147 for fight night;they replenish themselves up to MW +.Oscar didnt. Huge difference. I also dont think being emaciated helped Oscars speed.He looked faster against Floyd.
     
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  5. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Sorry thats all crammed together btw.Computers playing up and went let me do paragraphs and seperations.
     
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  6. JIM KELLY

    JIM KELLY Bullshyt Mr Han Man! Full Member

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    When i saw Oscar in the changing room warming up, i quickly changed my prediction. The man looked like he had been abducted by aliens and had the life sucked out of him.
     
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  7. OPBF

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    Not only that, but Oscar stopped sweating around his legs when they fought. Dude had no legs under him at all. And every punch to the midsection would have hurt even more than normal. 145-147, ****. Like Mayweather Sr. said, anybody could've beaten a weight-drained DLH.

    I was expecting him to regain 13 more pounds after the weigh-in, but I guess he just puked the food out after he bit them. Should've gone with IV treatment.
     
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  8. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Absolutely.I cant emphasise enough the difference this made. It was never going to be a contest with Oscar at 147
     
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  9. TheRock49

    TheRock49 Active Member Full Member

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    Yea, when it said what Oscars weight was before the fight I knew it was over for him.
     
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  10. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    I think the cash penalty put paid to that,or so im lead to believe.
     
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  11. OPBF

    OPBF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong about this, I wanted Pac to win, but he was just fighting a taller fighter on that day. Everybody remembers what happened to Chris Byrd right? Same **** here.
     
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  12. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    No,not drastically but.....the ''unofficial weights'' might(good chances) have been tampered as Oscar never excepted to weigh-in on the day of the fight before and HBO might have been trying to make it look as Oscar didn't have a size advantage but as the fight went on it didn't look like a stronger Oscar could change something,Manny just completely destroyed him.
    That being said in the dressing room and in the fight he looked completely weak and sick,his legs were as skinny as I ever saw them and as Manny Steward said ;;he was talller but not bigger''.He seemed 147 or around that...weak.
     
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  13. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Interestingly,i wanted Pac to win mainly because i THOUGHt he had the deck stacked against him and Oscar had all the advantages. Now i realize Oscar was the underdog all along......very strange.
     
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  14. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't want to take away from what Pacquiao dud but it is not naturral for a 6 foot tall 35 year old man to weigh 145 lbs.
     
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  15. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    This is the rub though;fighting the best fighter in the world is going to be extremely difficult as it is,and you would want to be near 100% for such a task.........i sure as hell wouldnt want to be trying it in a highly weakened state.
     
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