Calzaghe or Monzon

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  1. MJSaith1

    MJSaith1 Member Full Member

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    Who was harder to beat?
     
  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I would rate Monzón as the #1 H2H middleweight of all-time. He was devastatingly effective rather than flashy in everything he did to the extent it looked so easy for him, people mistake that for being ordinary. He was very well-rounded and could fight inside if he had to.

    Calzaghe is too, but quite as dominating.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Interesting way of wording the question.

    But the answer is Monzon in my estimation.
     
  4. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I wouldn't really describe Monzón as ugly. I can see where people might say Calzaghe is, maybe his punches are not to everybodys taste.

    Monzón was quite refined and clean. Maybe not thrill a minute stuff, but its not displeasing on the eye.
     
  5. MJSaith1

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    Is it possible to predict the outcome of a H2H match?
     
  6. MJSaith1

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    Ah you spotted my guess that he's retired then? :D
     
  7. MJSaith1

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    You really think Joe is easy to time???
     
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    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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  9. MJSaith1

    MJSaith1 Member Full Member

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    Hmm, I'm not so sure, Joe is very awkward, he is also very good at adapting to his opponent, would Carlos get frustrated?
     
  10. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    He never did. He was one of the coolest, calmest, most collected fighters of all time, especially over 15 rounds.
     
  11. MJSaith1

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    How would he deal with the workrate?
     
  12. Sweet Pea

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    He had a way of limiting the opponent's workrate, as he was a supreme ring general on the level of Hopkins (who we saw an aged version of have success in limiting Calzaghe's workrate with his own ring generalship and accuracy before fading down the stretch), with similar accuracy, albeit a much better, more active jab, which would be another big key in controlling the tempo.

    On the other hand, Calzaghe is actually the bigger fighter here, which would be a change for Monzon, and he has many ways himself of adapting and throwing off fighter's rhythms, so it'd be a very tough affair to call.

    Bottom line though, Monzon was a MW, Calzaghe is a SMW/LHW. It'd be much fairer matching him up with LHW's than it would MW's, yet everyone always seems to want to do the opposite for whatever reason.
     
  13. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    it's a tough call, but i'd give a slight edge to monzon. his jab was one of the best in middleweight history and he could crack when he wanted to. he'd have joe on rubbery legs when he'd get to close. monzon never had stamina problems. he wasn't blindingly fast, but he did have perfect timeing on his punches, alot like B-Hop, but with a better jab. i'd give a close sd for monzon
     
  14. See Me Flow

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  15. rickx1

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    Calzaghe, He always finds a way to win.