Is Manny that Good or is Hoya that Shot?

A bit of both. Oscar being completely shot diminished Manny's win in my eyes somewhat. Manny's great -blistering offense, great movement, speed . But Oscar offered nothing at all. I've seen the demise of many boxers careers in the ring, but none have been like that.

 

Both. Oscar should either retire, or fight at his natural weight. This 140's business is history for Oscar. He should stick to the 150-160's because dropping into the 140's for him at this point in his life is just dangerous. Manny is simply awesome. Nuff said.

 

oscar is that shot. common, even calderon can ko the oscar that we saw last saturday.

 

being weight-drained and shot are two different things. i'm sure that when dlh goes back to his current natural weight of 154, he will perform much better in his next fight.

 

I don't know. Maybe. But it seems like anytime you are a 35+ year old fighter who loses weight to go to a lower division, it permanently does something bad to your body and you are never the same. It seems to sapp your reflexes, stamina, and snap. And i don't know if you can get what you lost back.

 

the problem is, with the beating that he took, we will never know. pacman might have made him genuinely shot.

 

ok. then let's just see what happens if hoya decides to take a fight again at 154 this time. right now, we are just making guesses as to his current physical state. remember, this is the very first time ever oscar was this listless in a fight so the struggle to make 147 could've caused his non-performance in this particular fight.

 

What we have here is the same thing as what happened to RJJ, him and DLH both dropped a lot of weight and were never the same after that. I bet even if DLH goes back to 154 he won't be the same he might perform slightly better which won't be hard but he won't be anywhere near as good as when he took on PBF.

But im not taking anything away from Pacman and Roach. Roach saw the writing on the wall in the Forbes fight. Pacman administered the ass whooping game plan. Props to them both it was a hell of a gamble and I think they are probably both suprised at just how well the fight went.

 

yep. good point. :good

 

You guys dont need to debate...

EVERYONE WHO FOUGHT PAC IS SHOT OR A BUM AFTERWARDS ANYWAY.

 

You guys are unbelievable. Oscar was shot at the Floyd fight as well..I mean he abandoned his jab when it was aclose fight and Floyd did nothing to really hurt him early on. He just laid there and said.."you know Floyd, I dont feel like it a jabbing kind of night" "I'll give up now"

As for Forbes..Forbes is B level at best and Oscar treated him like one and if they fight again next month, he'll beat forbes again.. ..

 

A little bit of both.

 

Pac is good but the DLH was about half as good as what we were expecting. It wasn't even competitive so Pacman isn't that good. The weight did DLH in no question.

Even Roach said "We got prepared for a fight.. DLH prepared to make weight".