The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

I think i said everything i could.

I tried to explain you why i think Pacquiao COULD beat FLoyd.
SOrry if you need more. I'M done.

 

nah i got where you was going with it i feel you 110%....

i was just throwing in my own commentary from what you quoted...

i think in every fight a fighter must make a different game plan because every fighter has different strengths and weaknesses.. thats my opinion .. im not saying paq should fight different but hes going to have different points of emphasis then when he fought oscar as he did when he fought diaz and as he would if he were to fight juan diaz or something....

im not disagreeing with you at all and i get where you were trying to go with it

 

This is a biggest piece of bull**** man. Please tell me which successful PPV's Judah, Corley, Mitchell, Baldomir, Brusselles or anyone not named DLH had been on to get a figh t w/ Mayweather? In fact, what HUGE PPv's did Floyd himself have to deserve the DLH fight? Your type of thinkkng is what's wrong with todays fans.

But if you believe this garbage, what big PPV's has Williams had to fight Margarito, who had one f the more successful PPV's this year? He and Cotto did more then Hopkins - JPavlik, Jones - Calzaghe.

Utterly ridiculous the ringsyou guys expect Margarito to jump through.

You say Oscar was SOO garbarge it's hard to give Pac credit, then say your not taking anythign away? That is EXACTLY what you are doing. Oscar had looked NOTHING like he did vs. Pac before. Save the bull**** doublespeak.

 

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!
We all know Pac got fast hands - forget about that against Floyd
We all know Pac got some Pop - forget about that against Floyd
We all know Pac got heart - forget about that againts Floyd
We all know Pac got stamina - forget about that against Floyd
Though Floyd is bigger Pac is stronger specially in the lower body- But forget about that againts Floyd

Combine all that with the recently found use of his lightning quick footwork then Pacquiao got a big chance.You talk about the speed of Judah being superior to that of Pacquiao but his feet aren't close to as quick. It'll be the footwork that will allow Pac to box in the center of the ring, dart in and out, lead with his left, double up on his left, , cut off the ring, get to favorable angles to unleash his hand speed, and get out of harms way before floyd gets square, etc, etc... It wasn't too long ago that fighters as average as Velasquez, Solis, Larios could get Pacquiao's back againts the ropes... Diaz and Hoya were a different story... Pacquiao has improved feinting as well has upper body movement as well. His right hand was better than ever before and even more powerful, accurate, and faster againts Hoya than it was for diaz. If they say Floyd will be a continuation of a larger faster Marquez, I say a larger no longer drained Pacquiao be a continuation of what Zab Judah started in his early rounds againts DLH and keep it in the center of the ring and try to get PBF againts the ropes. Floyd seems to love defending againts the ropes and Pacquiao seems to love being offensive when someone is againts it... Does Pacquia have a shot? Hellz yeah....

 

Sounds like your really here to discredit Pacquiao and to gloat and state your reasons why Pacquiao cannot beat Floyd... I understand the humility it must take to concede that you are not always right but read Nacho's assessment on Oscars performance,,, It was real classy... A dude who watched Oscar train and throw punches in training camp stated that Oscar was in perfect tip top shape and sharp... He said that it was Pacquiao's speed that took everything away from Oscar and that Pacquiao was outstanding... I would believe a dude that witnessed Oscar Physically and Mentally rather than speculation from people who were proven wrong and now trying to heal their bruised egos by making all sorts of excuses why they are not as analytical as they thought they were...Props to all the Pacquiao fans that followed his training and knew his capabilities and predicted this result... Shame on you.

 

about the margarito thing:

yes the fights you listed didnt have great #'s but they were high visibility fights... floyd vs gatti put floyd in the mainstream some, floyd vs baldo put floyd in the mainstream a litte more since it was more bragging rights, the floyd vs zab was also high visability because it was in msg and had great results....

just like cotto fighting zab & shane in msg with great results... there all high visability fights... i know it may be hard for you to understand this being a margarito fan and everything but the only high visability fight margarito has really had was against cotto .. everything else were just rungs in the ladder for margarito to get to the top of the ww division

thats why i keep saying margarito if he wins against shane & cotto will be 1 more fight against a super fight.... ive said in like 3-4 other threads that if margarito can get 1 more big fight (best option would be paul williams if paul williams can grow his name fast enough) and win that fight by the time floyd and manny paq face off..... a match up between floyd & margarito would make a lot of sense...

thats why in all my other threads i was saying if cotto beat margarito he would have got his shot at floyd because he would have presumably beat oscar on the dec 9th date and then took on floyd in the summer time...


the oscar-paq thing:

what im saying is paq definitely performed and excuted his game plan to the fullest but its hard for me to measure how great manny looked because oscar looked so horrible and even aside from the fact that manny may be responsible for oscar looking horrible (possible) oscar didnt even do anything for himself to stop himself for looking horrible .. from throwing flurries to hugging to power shots..... he just looked like a big ass p.o.s

 

im an honest dude.... if i thought oscar was 100% shot and thats why manny looked so great i would say it

manny came to the ring focused with a game plan and excuted that game plan to his fullest ability...

oscar on the other hand came to the ring thinking manny was going to sit there and let him upper cut him and die and walk out of the ring with the "W" all in all i was extremely un-impressed with oscar and he was so awful that its hard for me to guage how good manny was

i dont care how good manny looked against oscar in relation to floyd because no matter what im stil going to think floyd will beat manny (by 4 rounds).... i think cotto will give floyd his hardest fight possible and i think paul williams could probably and more convincingly beat floyd than anyone in boxing right now...

oscar was just ****! ****! poor on dec 9th... and due to that its hard for me to understand how good manny was..

in relation

if 2 guys were playing a 1 on 1 in a game of basketball and during the match 1 of the players didnt even try and the player who didnt try lost.... it would be hard for me to know how good the winner was because the loser didnt even make an effort

 

Manny had a lot to do with that... They said Oscar wasn't punching but when he did, he got nothing but air... There was a slow motion of Hoya, I think he was throwing a left cross counter that that seemed to turn into an awkward looking left hook in mid flight. It was cause Manny popped him and moved to an angle that it would land Oscar in a risky compromising position if he threw anything... Pac was out of reach of that Jab but his foot speed kept him with in striking range though he had a shorter reach... Appreciate Pacquiao instead of looking for reasons Hoya lost... Then maybe you can judge if Pacquiao has a shot againts Floyd.

 

I believe you man... I apologize If I lumped you in with excuse makers.. I guess I could be wrong as well and Hoya was really just a shell of himself.. Pacquiao's next fight will be a measuring stick as to if he really belongs at 140... I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't... Not for lack of skill or heart but because he hasn't really gotten hit flush by any of the big boys.

 

Nice discussion without any insult.

 

im sure he will cause floyd a few problems, i only look for the real good bigger boxers to maybe beat pbf.manny will bring out the very best in mayweather illl leave it at that.but the fight should be made.

 

yeah thats all im saying.. i really cant tell...

oscar looked so damn horrendous to me its that hard to tell... and thats another good point you bring up oscar never really caught manny good so till this point we dont know how manny will react to a punch

 

Yeah man.... Just like the rest of the Pacquiao fans, I would like to think that it was all Pacquiao... We would be fooling ourselves though if we say that our hearts wouldn't be racing with the fear of doubt thinking if Pacquiao can really hang with this group. I was one of those who were shocked by the win and was scared for Manny all the way till Oscar called it quits... It will be same whether he faces Zab, Hatton, and even more so with Floyd... I got over that feeling at the lighter weights but this is a different ball game... Pac shows he can handle a Hatton or a Judah, I would feel more confident. I think he can though, but with an uneasy feeling about it.

 

i think i would be more impressed with manny if he beat hatton or judah more than his oscar win.... oscar was the opposite of live competition..... i guess that would be like a dead dog or something haha... oscar was just terrible....

but if manny faced off against hatton or zab i know both of them are live competition and would come to the ring focused with a strong game plan (more hatton than zab) ... but both of them would be extremely impressive wins because their considered armed & dangerous in my book.... .

oscar DEFINITELY wasnt ....

but now that were debating these zab & hatton fights... i bet floyd is debating whether he should let paqman fight hatton and build up buzz before he gets a bite out of hatton... i feel like its been to long since the fight happened to not hear about floyd making any moves....

 

I see what your saying walk with me pac beat delahoya its debatable how significant of a victory that was because oscar was dehydrated from dramatic weight loss second pac has a chance like everyboxer does against mayweather but if floyd gets into a rhythem and figures pac out its goodnight pac remember floyd has power under 147lbs and everyone talks about pressuring floyd pac is smaller if he tried to pressure him he would probably end up on his back then some ppl say oh pac throws a ton of punches that's fine floyd is a COUNTERPUNCHER pac has a 10 percent chance if he turns into a street fight other wise pac gets koed if mayweather has any advantage he is tough to beat oh yeh the other argument is floyd has trouble with lefties well the best way to beat a southpaw say it together with me straight right which is really one of mayweathers big weapons this is a bad fight for pac