Frazier in Marciano's position

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  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Does he also end up 49-0?
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Possibly, but I don't know if he survives the politics of the 1940's as a young black prospect. Walcott, Charles, and a number of others sustained a great deal of losses, inspite of having faced men who were inferior in ability..

    From an actual talent perspective, I think the answer is obvious. We would have seen the Julio Cesar Chavez of the 1940's heavyweight division.......
     
  3. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Perhaps he can repeat what Marciano did, but There is always that off night here or there,

    Fraizer at 2-0 would be face 23-0 Ross, or a few 16-0 type of fighters early. Not sure if a SUPER Green Fraizer could get by that. But who knows?
     
  4. rusty nails

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    anything marciano can do frazier can do better..
     
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    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not true.

    Marciano had a better Right hand, better stimia for his late round rallys, better one punch knockout power, and perhaps a better chin. Among a few other things. Maybe better defense.
     
  6. Maxmomer

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    Marciano almost definitely didn't have better defense.
     
  7. Russell

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    Yeah, chin, single shot knockout power... Sure.

    His defense wasn't as good as Frazier's, all things considered.
     
  8. Hank

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    Marciano did have better defense, and was two handed puncher, also more ko power, better chin. I think Rex Layne had chance to beat Frazier, he was better than Bonavena, similar in some ways to Oscar. I don't see Frazier beating Walcott or Charles.
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  10. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I concur. Marciano had a better right hand than Frazier, but best punch to best punch I don't think much separates them power-wise, Frazier was bigger, faster (of foot and hand), had better defense had just as much heart just as much stamina, was just as tough, didn't cut like Marciano did and overall he beat better competition. I give Frazier the edge in most categories and consider him the better, more effective, and more skilled fighter. I also think Frazier would beat Marciano head to head.
     
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  12. Minotauro

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    Gotta agree with this.:good
     
  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    In theory he could, but the million dollar question is can Frazier retain the hunger and consistency in training that set Marciano apart from many others? We already saw that Frazier got sloppy and deteriorated as early as six years into his career, which was when Marciano just retained the title against Walcott. Of course that first Ali fight did take a lot out of him, but still.
     
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    I think he'd lose one. Which one, I don't know.
     
  15. janitor

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    This is my take.

    Frazier did not retain his hunger after he won the title so I tentativley say he ends up 48-1.

    If I have to take a guess where he looses I say that he assumes Ezzard Charles to be a spent force, turns up overweight and gets outpointed.

    Another possible scenario is that he looses one of his early fights through being overmatched.