David Haye - Vitali Klitschko....Does anyone else fear revisionism after the match?

Yes, I'm speaking about those haters that would laugh off Haye's chance pre-match then should he pull off a huge upset victory, quickly try to discredit the win by bringing up the following facts....

1. Vitali had fought only once in 4 years, assuming he does not face JC Gomez.

2. Vitali had never beaten that great competition anyway and was most famous for losing while leading on the cards to Lennox Lewis.

3. Vitali was injury prone.

4. Vitali was 38.

We saw a similar response after Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu....prior to the match, few gave Hatton a real chance of beating Kostya. After he did just that, people began discrediting the win citing Tsyzu's lack of rounds over the past 3 years and the fact that he was in his mid 30s and had suffered a few injuries....

Could the same happen with Haye should he shock the majority and beat Vitali?

I think it might....your thoughts?

 

no, i seriously think everyone will get behind Haye if he beats Vitali, especially if he knocks the guy out. theres a poll on the generall forum and about 95% of people are going for Vitali.

i really dont understand why people want haye to loose as well.

i think that most will say, if haye wins, that he is a top 10 p4p fighter, the best heavyweight since Lewis, but would loose to the greats.

 

Nah should Haye win I shall be a huge supporter of his and laugh at all the Eastern Europeans and racist white folk and the Americans. I will support Haye in his quest to beat Vitali but I just can not see him winning....yet.

 

I was thinking the same the other day. To some degree Pacs win over Oscar has suffered a similar fate, though there are obvious weight issues involved there as well.

 

Yep,all valid points BB.
The discerning fans should legislate for these factors BEFORE the fight,because they could prove to be highly significant.
I also think something similiar could also work against Vitali;
I.e....if Vitali wins he will also be denied credit due to Haye's size,inexperience at HW etc.
There will be question marks either way.

 

Yes, it has. It is revisionism at it's very worst, with most people saying that if anyone would have a disadvantage in that respect, it would be Pac a former Flyweight fighting a guy who has campaigned as high as MW....

Furthermore, in response to Rob....I was first registered on these forums back in 2004 and lurked in 2005....the vast majority of people thought that Hatton would be iced by Tsyzu with ease....especially after the job he did on Mitchell after a long lay off.

Well, you might have noticed the huge revision job that that majority has did since. I swear it would happen to Haye should he beat Vitali...and I think it's important to raise the issue now to make people aware of these idiots before it does!

 

It happens to every fighter who has a big win.

Tszyu became old and shot afterwards
Lacy became a hypejob
Kessler became a Eurobum
Paulie became a C level fighter
DLH became shot and weight drained
Maccarinelli made a 'mistake'

etc.....................

 

Also true. Though it would be fair to say it is mainly for those reasons that Vitali is such a comfortable favourite for this fight.

And perhaps there would be some merit there should Vitali win....but thats another issue.

I'm concerned about if Haye, the underdog, pulls off something amazing and is then denied credit by irrational haters!

 

To be fair, most including myself were saying pre-fight that Hatton would muller Malignaggi. It was an acceptable fight, but I wouldn't say it was a huge victory at all as PM really hadn't demonstrated that he was up to much prior to meeting Hatton. It does not deserve to be mentioned along with the others, particularly as Hatton was a big favourite.

As for the 2nd, only that poor mans China_Hand_Joe(though for Macca rather than JC) ever says that.

 

I always felt Hatton would beat (and stop) Paulie - because he is very one-dimensional and hittable for a supposed slickster.

Everything comes from the jab - neutralise that and you are laughing. He didn't have the power to get Hatton's respect, and once he was beginning to be outjabbed himself (and flummoxed with Ricky's occasional RH lead) it was all over as a contest.

A lot of people were tipping Paulie to beat Hatton on points - though whether that was just the haters on this forum and the trolls on General....... The Sky people were bound to hype Paulie because he was on their PPV, but clever guys such as Watt, Piper, Nelson and McCrory shouldn't lower themselves.

 

Yep man, you have it spot on. I hate it when these TV pundits mislead the casual fan to suit their own channels biased agenda...I'm a big JC fan as most know, but I thought it was outrageous when during the Ashira fight, Duke Mackenzie started banging on about how Joe Calzaghe was the P4P1 in the World! A laughable assertion back in 2005....

Bunce is another example of it, in spite of the fact he acknowledges other channels fighters....he still has his own agenda and setanta did mislead fans about the state of RJJ as an opponent in the lead up to that fight.

But yes, in regards to the main subject, I think Haye deserves to be praised to the high heavens if he pulls this off and thats why a full 6 or 7 months before the fight I'm trying to call out the haters in advance, to prevent any revisionism occurring.

 

I give Haye more of a chance than most but I agree that if Haye goes on to beat Vitali you will hear all these excuses.

From now till June there will be countless threads on the general about how Vitali will make Haye 'pay' and how he will 'punish him' but if Haye wins those same people will log on after the fight and make every excuse they can to discredit him.

The Klit fans on the general forum are a bit too sensitive and are calling Haye classless and whatnot when they forget Vitali acted like a crybaby after the Lennox fight (and still does in regards to that fight) and refuses to give Lennox any credit. Also, When Sanders beat Wlad, Vitali was outraged with Sanders in the ring after the fight and acted like a classless piece of ****. Wlad is the gentleman of the two whereas Vitali is bit of a psycho.

 

I don't think Haye will beat Vitali, I will be honest with you here and now.

But - if he does, I won't be using the old and shot excuse, unless Vitali quits for any reason.

He just made chicken**** of Sam Peter - who decked his brother three times before losing a UD, remember Peter was consensus #2 in the world and Vitali was coming off a four year layoff.

 

Agree with every post you have made in this thread.

Vitali, whilst not everyones cup of tea, myself included done fantastic to come back from such a long lay off, not have a tune up and wipe the floor with someone as dangerous as Peter and should get huge props for that.

If he knocks out Haye, it is certain he will get slated for ko'ing a chinless cruiserweight.

If Haye wins and people try to take anything away from the win then they should be banned from ever watching the sport again. Vitali is the most dangerous heavyweight around and for Haye to even contemplate going against him is ****ing great, Haye is deserves massive respect for what he has done and is continueing to do imo.

 

Sums it up :good

Vitali probably knows himself that he won't get great credit for this win, and the risk-reward ratio for him ain't great in my opinion IMO, reward in this case being the signficance it has to improving his resume.

Financially, I'm sure it will be rewarding though, thats for sure. And I think it's became personal to big brother Klit....which is also a factor.