who thinks gloves should be less padded for more knock outs?

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Excellent post. Besides, I read that what makes the difference in the impact of the punch is that with more padding (more ounces) the punch slows down, specially as the fights goes on, making the punch less explosive, easier to see and easier to take. It's not so much about the feeling the padding makes on the impact of the face or body.

 

If you tie the pillow to the shovel, yes. But your face is not going to be damaged the same way as it would with the naked shovel :good

 

No.

As a few of us have already mentioned, MMA has already proven that less padding will lead to easier KOs. True 1 punch KOs are very rare in boxing but extremely common in MMA.

 

True, anyone thinking that an elastic and a firm object of the same size and weight cause the same damage should watch the final frozen/thawed chicken gun experiment on mythbusters. The frozen chicken with the same weight size and speed burst through 6 sheets of plexiglass leaving a clean cut hole in them. the thawed cracked only 2.

This is due to the fact that a soft object hitting a target will not tranfer its force as effectively as a hard object. A solid moving object will tranfer nearly all momentum/force to the target whereas the soft object will not transfer all force onto the target because some of the force will go into transforming (flattening the glove) the shape of that object.

Aside from this, less padding also means a smaller glove and surface of the glove that will connect to the fighter, which means more force per square inch, which means more penetration and damage to the object. Imagine a spear thrown at you, do you want it to hit you with the pointy tip or over the entire lenght in an upright position?

Anyway, yes less padding would mean more knockouts , more braindamage, more cuts, more permanently damaged eyes, more fractures etc.

All in All, I think this is the worst idea to improve boxing I have heard in a very long time.

Lets keep boxing a sport, not a license to kill or cripple.

 

HELL NO!!!

look at the older boxers now... imagine if the gloves were any worse

 

MMA hasn't proven much. From what I've seen the knock outs in MMA are because the less padding on the gloves make the punches faster. Also in MMA, fighters aren't thinking just about punches, but also kicks, elbows, submissions, etc, making it a much more complicated sport to throughly dominate as boxers do with boxing. This makes the fighters in MMA even more vulnerable to getting caught when compared to boxers.

 

I understand your point, but we are not talking about 75oz of padding. The padding difference really isn't that much where it would make a significant change other than the ones already discussed like having more cuts, bruises, etc. The essence of the punch is pretty much the same.

 

If the padding difference is enough to cause a lot more cuts/bruising, then it's going to cause a lot more knockouts too. What else is going to cause more tissue damage besides a more rigid surface striking the boxer, therefore by definition making it a more forceful punch?

 

I understand where you're coming from however, I do think there would be a significant difference with lets say a difference of say half an inch thickness in the padding. Of couse i cannot prove this scientifically, but i'd be very interested to see test results between the two gloves.

The reason i lean towards thinking there will me a significant difference is that final mythbuster experiment between a frozen and thawed chicken.

Before i saw the results of that test i knew there would be a difference but thought it would not be as significant as it turned out to be.

This being said i do think the difference in cuts and bruises will be higher than the difference in total ko's. The total force of the punch (ko power) will differ less than the force per square inch (cuts bruises/fractures).

Anyway it's all theory here, I just say that I think the difference in gloves would make a bigger difference than gut feeling tells us.

And yeah if i had to make the choice, please tie that pillow to the shovel :yep

 

Let's see how I can try and explain this better. There is actual evidence that less padding causes more physical damage. This obviously means that the small difference in padding helps fighters take less physical damage. However, the amount of padding in a fist used in boxing is not enough to make the fist feel like cotton candy, therefor nullifying some of the impact yet retaining most of it's force. In other words, the padding is just enough to add protection without taking away most of the power. Of course with less padded gloves there would probably be more TKO's and other stuff like that, but I think the thread starter meant knock outs as in actual KO's and I just don't think the padding we have now is the amount that makes a drastic change, I think it's the right amount.

I'm no physics expert, but I am pretty good with logic, and after reading about the purposes of adding more padding to the gloves, and being hit with different types of boxing and MMA gloves I'm pretty confident that what I'm trying to explain is true.

 

Your right, I can't really give you scientific numbers either, I'm just talking from what I've read and experienced. It is all theory here and perhaps your right ( guessed I missed that mythbusters episode :yep) but I guess it really is about safety first when it comes to these decisions. :good

 

Of course boxing is a fighting sport. That does not mean you have to make the sport more dangerous than it already is. And since changing the size of the gloves would have a bigger effect on cuts fractures and bruises than it would on ko's i don't think its a very good idea.

Besides, if you look at the permanent damage fighters get with the current gloves already I don't know if aiming for more KO's would be a great idea.

If you want stoppage then send them into the ring with baseball bats and dont let them out until someone is permanently down.

 

Don't really know who's pretending boxing isn't a fighting sport. What we can't pretend is that boxers aren't risking their lives for our entertainment and most of them don't get paid enough for it.