Calzaghe - Hopkins Legacy: Why Calzaghe's is superior IMO.

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  1. Beatboxer

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    Beatboxer, Dec 19, 2008
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  2. Quick'N'Slick

    Quick'N'Slick Active Member Full Member

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    What's with the black font?

    It is close, but I vote Hopkins by a hair.
     
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  3. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yea really. But I'd say Hopkins and by more than a hair.
     
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  4. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Accident chaps, I wrote it on a word processor because I hate when lengthy posts are lost!

    Yea, I just felt I needed to clarify my thoughts. Im pleased that DINAMITA and others thought I put forward a decent case yesterday, but I don't think I did myself justice so this a stronger effort.

    I don't expect the majority to agree with me at all, but this is my thoughts.

    I have to emphasise also that while I am a huge Calzaghe fan, I am not a Hopkins hater and do regard him as one of the finest fighters that has ever lived. I just feel Calzaghe gets a great disservice with his record whereas Hopkins gets a wee bit too much credit...

    Which makes it closer than many would have you believe. I do feel Calzaghe is superior but barely. Barely.
     
    Beatboxer, Dec 19, 2008
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  5. pugilist64

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    Excellent post!!
     
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  6. USboxer1981

    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    Although I slightly disagree with Beatbox, at least he uses logic and knowledge, unlike your dumbass pugilist
     
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  7. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cheers man, that's all I ask.

    Like I said, most won't agree with my views but what I want is for people to understand why I think that way....my theory is underpinned by some logic, maybe flawed in some peoples eyes but it's just to let people know that I've thought the issue through.

    I only made a thread today because I felt I didn't do myself justice yesterday, DINAMITAs post was vastly superior and much more convincing I have to admit.
     
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  8. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Biased post. Your entire observation of Hopkin's resume was pretty much a negative, glass-half empty point of view while doing the opposite for Calzaghe.
     
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  9. pugilist64

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    I am glad that you agree Calzaghe is superior to Hopkins. ;)
     
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  10. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah I suppose you could say that tbh.

    I could've went into alot more detail but I didn't want to bore people to death.

    What I was trying to get across is the main reasons why I don't feel Hopkins legacy is as great as many believe and in doing so, I had to attack some of what are percieved to his greatest wins.

    Let me reiterate that while I feel he has lost to the better, more effective fighters that he has faced, his best victories over Trinidad, Tarver, Pavlik and Johnson are still terrific. And thats not even going into his tier two wins.

    However, I think Calzaghe is on a par tier two wise and I believe he holds a very slight edge in terms of the very best victories. That's my point. He also has no losses.

    I do think your right, it does come off as me being too negative on Hopkins and I could've perhaps taken on board other peoples arguments too in my post.
     
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  11. Quick'N'Slick

    Quick'N'Slick Active Member Full Member

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    :lol:

    Ill drink to that. pugilist wears calzaghes ballsack as a hat.
     
    Quick'N'Slick, Dec 19, 2008
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  12. SHOWSHOOTER

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    great post beatboxer. hopkins is a great fighter but its nice to see someone analyse hopkins record from a more neutral perspective rather than from a nuthugging point of view.

    hopkins had a big advantage weight wise with regards to the de la hoya and trinidad fights, whilst tarver is a massively over-rated fighter. i'm inclined to think that hopkins best win of his entire career came against pavlik (masterfull performance) though again he had the weight advantage in this fight.

    your right that hopkins lost his 3 biggest challenges of his career which were against similar weight fighters in jones, taylor, and calzaghe which is a big black mark on his career.

    north america tends to over estimate its own fighters and hopkins has been the beneficiary of this. hopkins reign as middleweight king was of a similar stature to calzaghe's - lacking big names. hopkins is a great fighter though, an adaptable, tactical genius, but would always have had problems dealing with a fighter as good as calzaghe.

    hopkins will always be slightly over-rated by this forum and calzaghe will always be under-rated by this forum. hopkins losses against jones, taylor, and calzaghe should always be taken into consideration when assessing his career.

    as for calzaghe, barring eubank, lacy, kessler, and hopkins - his resume is not what it should have been which is a shame cos i think he was capable of overcoming many more big tests in his career than he actually did.
     
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  13. klion22

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    It's funny how people here are stating that Jermain Taylor was one of Hopkin's 3 best opponents along with Calzaghe and RJ. Funny how that works. Most objective people would probably not even put him in the top 5-7.

    You guys are completely underrating his HUGE wins over an undefeated Tito, undefeated Pavlik, undefeated Johnson, and the best LHW in the world at the time in Tarver.
     
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  14. Beatboxer

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    I fully agree mate, especially with the points in bold. My post is a bit negative on Hopkins and I have to reiterate that I do really, really rate him but I framed the post in the way I did to try to justify my points about the 3 greatest challenges and also to make my stance very clear. Overall, I just feel that people overrate his achievements to the max and underrate Joe Calzaghes.
     
    Beatboxer, Dec 19, 2008
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  15. USboxer1981

    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    :good

    Boxing is just like any other sport where you have favorites , and that of course will play into your judgement of the fighter .... I mean I love Carlos Monzon, so I tend to rate him higher on my ATG list than some other people do... You seem to like Calzaghe so of course he should be rated higher by you. I mean, a boxers legacy is half opinion half actual accomplishments haha, I just like that you are not just a blind nut hugger and that you actually know a thing or two about boxing.
     
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