Hugh McIlvanney, thoughts please.

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  1. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Born in Kilmarnock, Scotland on February 2, 1934. One of the most respected voices in British sports journalism, McIlvanney is known for his wit, humor and eloquence. He has been voted the UK's “Sports Writer of the Year” seven times and is the only sports writer to be named Britain's “Journalist of the Year.” During his acclaimed career, he has written for The Kilmarnock Standard, The Daily Express, The Scotsman, Sports Illustrated and, for three decades, The Observer (1962-1993). From 1993 - 2002 he was the chief sports writer for The Sunday Times and now pens the main weekly sports column. McIlvanney was awarded the OBE in 1996 and was also presented with the Lifetime Achievement Award by the Scottish Press Awards in 2004.

    Regarded as one of the foremost sports journalists, McIlvanney has been at ringside to cover legendary prizefighters Muhammad Ali, Carlos Ortiz, Carlos Monzon, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, Lennox Lewis, Oscar De La Hoya, Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. He has also published books including McIlvanney on Boxing and The Hardest Game. McIlvanney was awarded the 1986 Nat Fleischer Memorial Award for Excellence in Boxing Journalism by the BWAA.

    He's probably more familiar with the British posters on here. My guess is that Conteh and McGrain will know him very well. McIlvanney is a member of Boxing Writers Association of America and is due to be inducted at Canastota next year at the International boxing Hall of Fame.

    Thomas Hauser - "McIlvanney is the British equivalent of Liebling. He’s not just a boxing writer. He’s a writer who writes very well, among other things, about boxing"

    I also noticed that George Kimball mentions McIlvanney's opinions on a few ocassions throughout "Four Kings".

    His book "McIlvanney on Boxing" comes highly recommended indeed. He's a brilliant anaylist and detailer of the sport. The articles throughout the book are ones he done for The Observer and The Sunday Times. Some of them are build-up previews and the reviews he pennded around the time of the fights.
     
  2. Dave's Top Ten

    Dave's Top Ten Active Member Full Member

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    Great sports writer, especially on boxing. "McIlvanney on Boxing" is a must read.
     
  3. Dave's Top Ten

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    "How Hagler Won That Fight" was his headline in the Times the day after the Hagler Leonard fight. Was a great piece which should be read by all followers of that fight.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Excellent writer,I have two of his boxing books and one on racing,all are first class,he is the premier Uk writer and ranks with the best the US has produced ,ie Heinz Cannon,Smith ,Liebling.I can praise him no higher.
     
  5. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    I agree here guys. McIlvanney is among the greatest boxing writers ever.
     
  6. GazOC

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    He's been by far the best boxing journo in the UK during the 25 years I've been interested in the sport. My old man speaks very highly of him prior to that as well.
     
  7. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From the U.S., mc, so've only read a few of his pieces, but couldn't be in more agreement with you.

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  8. Bigcat

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    I have a great Video interview with him and Sugar Ray Leonard from 89.. It is one of the best one on one interviews i ever saw. Hugh spoke about every aspect of his career and never held back on his own opinions, Ray seemed to be very impressed with Hugh, you could sense the respect between the two.. He is one of the old school writers that done come around that often, Steve Bunce should take a leaf out of his book and steer away from circus type interviews.. its all about shouting and hooting and less about respect nowadays.. It seems all about Bunce, not about the sport or the fighter.
     
  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    he is a brilliant writer. enough said
     
  10. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Conteh, I want your take on Hugh. You'll know his work very well.
     
  11. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've got McIlvanney on Boxing, a great read. The two chapters on Johnny Owen in particular very moving.
     
  12. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    The best for me- or at least the equal of anyone else. His figurative language is a joy and he's a brilliant writer with a deep passion for boxing (and football). His report on Duran-Leonard II isn't in the aforementioned book but it's a must and online somewhere. He writes of Freddie Brown saying that Duran never considered boxing a sport like football because he never gives you the ball. Hugh wrote
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    McIlvanney on Boxing, while virtually peerless contains too much devoted to Ali and it spoils the book a little for me. The best chapter is the one about Jack Bodell and the solitude of being the loser.


    On Boutiers' fans calling Monzon a 'sheep', he said something like:
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  13. Robbi

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    The Illusion Of Victory

    Another view of the Leonard-Hagler decision.

    Hugh McIlvanney, April 20, 1987.



    It is not only in Las Vegas that professional boxing's system of scoring shows all the intellectual consistency of a rolling pair of dice.

    Don't blame the desert air for the rush of blood to the brain that caused Jose Juan (Jo Jo) Guerra, a WBC judge, to make Sugar Ray Leonard a winner by 10 rounds to 2 over Marvin Hagler while another official, Lou Filippo, was giving the April 6 fight at Caesars Palace to Hagler 7 rounds to 5. If the record of judges sanctioned by its State Athletic Commission is anything to go by, Nevada is a congenial environment for officials with the glorious eccentricity of mind brought to his work by Guerra. But bad decisions know no boundaries.

    The simple truth is that at this stage of its long and erratic history, prizefighting is still nowhere near establishing any consistently accurate means of measuring performance. If the comparative effectiveness of two fighters is so difficult to calibrate (or so open to extravagantly subjective interpretations) that Guerra and Filippo can contradict each other as outrageously as they did, then even when everybody stays honest, boxing clearly carries a far higher risk of recurring injustice than any other sport.

    When judges talk about focusing on paramount criteria—on identifying effective aggressiveness, clean punching, ring generalship and quality defense—they are merely emphasizing the complexity, perhaps the impossibility, of the exercise. Much of the time all they can do is review a fighter's performance, much as a theater critic would an actor's, making the pseudoscientific adjustment of putting their impressions into figures.

    No one has ever understood the boxing judge as reviewer of theater better than Sugar Ray Leonard. Even Muhammad Ali, who substituted histrionics for real fighting often enough in the latter part of his career, was usually more concerned with disconcerting his opponent and getting the crowd on his side. Leonard sought those dividends too against Hagler. But the overriding priority for him appeared to be the manipulation of official minds.

    Naturally, to achieve that end, Ray had to bring a lot to the party. Physically and mentally, he was astonishingly strong, sharp and resilient after what had been, essentially, a five-year layoff.

    Thus, looking and moving so much better than anyone had a right to expect, Leonard was in a position to exploit the Schulberg Factor. This phenomenon—a compound optical illusion—may not have been discovered by Budd Schulberg, the novelist and fight aficionado, but he receives credit here for pointing it out to a few of us who were asking ourselves how Hagler came to be so cruelly misjudged. Budd's reasoning was that people were so amazed to find Sugar Ray capable of much more than they imagined that they persuaded themselves he was doing far more than he actually was.

    Similarly, having expected extreme destructiveness from Marvin, they saw anything less as failure and refused to give him credit for the quiet beating he administered.

    What Ray Leonard pulled off in his split decision over Hagler was an epic illusion. He had said beforehand that the way to beat Hagler was to give him a distorted picture. But this shrewdest of fighters knew it was even more important to distort the picture for the judges. His plan was to "steal" rounds with a few flashy and carefully timed flurries and to make the rest of each three-minute session as unproductive as possible for Hagler by circling briskly away from the latter's persistent pursuit. When he made his sporadic attacking flourishes, he was happy to exaggerate hand speed at the expense of power, and neither he nor two of the scorers seemed bothered by the fact that many of the punches landed on the champion's gloves and arms. This was showboating raised to an art form, and the brilliance with which it was sustained was a tribute to Leonard's wonderful nerve, which is cut from the same flawless diamond as Ali's.

    But, however much the slick ploys blurred the perceptions of those on the fevered sidelines, they never broke Hagler. He has a different kind of spirit, but it is no less resolute than Leonard's. The hounding intensity that kept him unbeaten through 11 years from 1976 will soon be a memory, but he had enough left to press on through his early frustrations, throw the superior volume of hurtful punches. I'm convinced Hagler won the fight; a draw, and the retention of the title, was the very least he deserved.

    "It's unfair, man, it's unfair," Hagler said helplessly to the master illusionist at the end. That's an old cry and—given the haphazard way boxing judges its heroes—all too often a true one.
     
  14. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    This is great. Duran-Leonard II.



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  15. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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