150-6!

I think Vitlai is just as much of a boxer as a puncher. In fact he fights more like a boxer.

If you want to take the rounds won to rounds lost ratio, Vitali still towers over Ali, even if you end Ali's career in the 1960's!

I think we must ask ourselfs why Ali lost rounds and sometimes had fits with lesser talent that the best fighters Vitlai fought.

 

Mendoza says: No, I can't see D. Jones, Copper, Mildenberger, Blin, an old Folley...those guys winning a round vs Vitlai.

Mendoza says: Hoffman did not win a round, it was a clean 12-0 shut out. Lewis won two rounds on the official score cards. Vitali NEVER got " gift " rounds like Ali did. I don't think you want to touch on gift rounds on the score cards with Ali. Vitali did not run out of gas vs Byrd, it was the injury. As I said again, Vitlai is the only heavy I can think of that was never down on the score cards after three rounds in the book. An injury and a cut cost him defeat, not ability.

 

The title of the thread is Vitlai is 150-6 in rounds won to rounds lost. No other heavyweight in the history of the ring can match that. I give you the entire database of heavyweights to debunk it!

Quit trying to change the topic of the initial thread, and simply say YES Vitlai has the best rounds lost to round won ratio in the history of heavyweight boxing, or NO does not. Can you do that?

Also, I was very clear in talking abour a prime or near prime Ali losing more rounds vs lesser fighters. I believe this is fact. If you wan't to debate that point, this is the thread to do so.

These are the two points I want to debate. I am not talking about subjective rounds you think so and so lost, because I can play that game better than you, nor am I talking about who has the most wins vs vs ranked opponents. Let's try to stay within the lines. The forum is yours to agree or disagree with what I said.

 

Whoa. I might make a mistake or two, but I have not lied about anything.

If you can show me a confirmed round where the majority of the judges felt Vitlai lost it, then its 149-7. Until then, its 150-6 as I stated which is a 96.15% rounds won.

I admit Vitlai ring record is what is it vs ranked opponents. See how easy that is to do? I also said that was not my point or the topic of the thread.

Now on to details, you were wrong about the Hoffman fight, it was a clean 120-108 shut out on the two of the scorecards for Vitlai, and one lone judge somehow found a round for Mr. Hoffman. So Vitlai did not lose a round the consensus cards, which is how I prefer to view things for all fighters. If you want to add rounds lost by one judge simply voting for the other guy, then Vitlai will tower even more so over Ali in this regard. If you want the read the official score cards on the Hoffman fight, they are below:


~ referee: Richard James Davies | judge: Antonio Pasamar 119-109 | judge: Kurt Stroer 120-108 | judge: Axel Zielke 120-108 ~
~ vacant EBU (European) heavyweight title ~

If it is impossible for you to admit that Vitlai has the best rounds won to round lost ratio in the history of heavyweight boxing, that is your problem, but it is fact. This is what the thread is about. Can you simply agree or disagree without going haywire and going off on tangents?

I also made note that a prime or near prime Ali lost rounds to lesser types than Vitali did. Once again, feel free to agree or disgaree.

For a new spin, I also beleive that Vitlai has fough the fewest opponents .500 or below of all heavyweight champions, though I did not fully research this. In short, I beleive Vitlai fought the least amount of .500 fighters when he meet them. You can research the other champions if you wish.