Has Anyone Here Seen Monzon/Briscoe I?

It was a draw in Argentina but they were pretty fair down there....I remember reports after the fact when both men were well known saying it was a close fight, the remayches belonged to Carlos

 

Either way, Monzon was far from the fighter he'd become at that early stage.

 

This is the original article, in Spanish: http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=69137

"EN RECIA LUCHA, BENNY BRISCOE HIZO BASTANTE MÁS PARA MERECER EL FALLO
"Buenos Aires, 5 de mayo de 1967
"(10 rounds) Carlos Monzón, campeón argentino de los medianos, empató con Benny Briscoe, habiendo fallado los jurados así: 198 a 198, 197 a 197 y 198 Monzón a 197 Briscoe

"¿GANÓ MONZÓN? ¿GANÓ BRISCOE? Dejando de lado sentimentalismos que no cuadran en el comentario objetivo que debe ser el punto de vista principal en los que tenemos la obligación de llamar a las cosas por su nombre, debemos decir que sólo un hombre sobre el ring buscó la victoria y ese fue Benny Briscoe, al margen de su boxeo poco ortodoxo, pero sí efectivo, como que arrolló a un Monzón unilateral, que creyó que le bastaría --y sobraría-- con colocar uno de sus potentes golpes de derecha para parar a esa 'tromba humana' que multiplicaba su acción cada vez que el campeón --muy pocas veces-- lo tocó con una recia derecha que tan buen resultado le dio en el cotejo con Jorge Fernández, cuando ganó el título.

"Creemos --y lo hemos dicho muchas veces-- que no se puede ganar un combate disparando continuamente. Y menos un campeón, que estaba esperando una oportunidad para demostrar que no en vano venció, incuestionablemente, a un Jorge Fernández lleno de prestigiosos antecedentes.

"Briscoe hizo caso omiso del punch de Monzón y concretó su feroz e implacable ofensiva castigando severamente el cuerpo del pupilo de Brusa. Era evidente que Monzón sintió el castigo, como que su llegada al rincón, luego del sexto round, evidenció que ya no encontraría el camino de una definición categórica, pues el norteamericano soportó el golpe del santafesino y éste no atinaba a buscar otro camino, tomándose desesperadamente en los cuerpo a cuerpo y 'arqueándose' cada vez que Briscoe colocaba sus puños en la línea baja y, muchos también, en la cara.

"La decisión pues, no podía ser otra que el triunfo de Briscoe. Pese, como decimos, a que Monzón colocó varias veces su derecha sin hacer mella en la privilegiada humanidad del yanqui. Contrastaba el rincón de uno y otro adversario: mientras Monzón llegaba extenuado al suyo y atendido solícitamente por los segundos y dejándose caer 'al llegar a destino', Briscoe permanecía de pie en el suyo, sin tomar agua una sola vez; no se sacó el protector bucal en ningún momento y tampoco se sentó en su banquillo en los 10 rounds del combate...

"Un calco perfecto resultó, round a round... Solamente le asignamos a Monzón el 2º y 10º, con 4 parejos y 4 para Briscoe, que si a alguno no le gusta, podrían ser 3... que son los puntos de ventaja que vimos para el yanqui, al margen, como decimos, de sentimentalismos ridículos que no entran en nuestra labor periodística..."



Then someone posted a (sort of) translation of it, which reads:

"FIGHT IN REECE, BENNY BRISCOE MADE ENOUGH FOR MORE DESERVES THE FAILURE
"Buenos Aires, May 5, 1967
"(10 rounds) Carlos Monzón, Argentine champion of the middle, drew with Benny Briscoe, having failed the jurors well: 198 to 198, 197 to 197 and 198 Monsoon 197 Briscoe

"He won MONZON? Gano BRISCOE? Putting aside sentimentality that do not add up in the commentary that goal should be the main point of view in which we have an obligation to call things by their name, we must say that only one man on The ring looked for the victory and that was Benny Briscoe, apart from boxing unorthodox, but effective, as it tries to a unilateral Monzon, who believed that it would suffice - and sobraría - to put one of her powerful strokes right to stop this' human tornado 'which multiplied its action every time the champion - very rarely - as he played with a right reece that gave him such a good result in comparison with Jorge Fernandez, when he won the title.

"We believe - and we have said many times - you can not win a fight by firing continuously. And unless a champion, who was waiting for an opportunity to demonstrate that not won in vain, unquestionably, a prestigious Jorge Fernandez is full of history .

"Briscoe ignored the punch of Monsoon and establish its fierce and unrelenting offensive severely punishing the body of the ward of Brusa. It was clear that Monzon felt the punishment, as his arrival at the corner after the sixth round, showed that they no longer find the path of categorical definition, as the U.S. suffered the blow of the Santa Fe and he is not able to find another way, taking desperately in the melee and 'curving' Briscoe every time they put their fists in the line low, and many also , In the face.

"The decision therefore could not be another triumph of the Briscoe. Although, as we say, to Monzon placed his right hand several times without making a dent on the inside of Yankee humanity. Contrasted the corner of one and another adversary: Monsoon arrived while exhausted and responded to his request in the second and falling leaves' to arrive at their destination, "Briscoe stood on her own, without taking water only once and are not pulled out the mouthguard in no time, nor sat on his bench in the 10 rounds of combat ...

"A layer was perfect, round to round ... Only you attach to the Monsoon 2nd and 10th, even with 4 and 4 for Briscoe, that if anyone does not like it, could be 3 ... which are the points of advantage we saw the Yankee, on the sidelines, as we say, ridiculous sentimentality of which do not fit into our journalistic work ... "


If I'm reading this right, it says that Briscoe gave it to Monzon and Monzon was lucky to get the draw. If anyone here knows Spanish, could you confirm if that's what it really says?

 

I used Altavista Babel Fish to get another "translation". Seems that the guy who wrote this scored it 4 rounds for Briscoe, 2 for Monzon, and 4 even.



“IN STRONG FIGHT, BENNY BRISCOE MADE RATHER MORE TO DESERVE THE FAILURE
“Buenos Aires, 5 of May of 1967
“(10 rounds) Carlos Monsoon, Argentine champion of the medium ones, tied with Benny Briscoe, having failed the juries thus: 198 to 198, 197 to 197 and 198 197 Monsoon to Briscoe

“IT GAINED MONSOON? IT GAINED BRISCOE? Leaving of side sentimentalities that do not square in the objective commentary that must be the main point of view in which we have the obligation to call to the things by its name, we must say that only a man on Ring looked for the victory and that was Benny Briscoe, besides its boxing orthodox, but little effective, because it coiled to an unilateral Monsoon, that thought that it would be enough to him --and he would exceed-- with placing one of its powerful blows of right to stop to that “human whirlwind” that multiplied its action whenever the champion --very not very often-- he touched it with a strong right that so good result gave him in I collate with Jorge Fernandez, when it gained the title.

“We create --we have often said and it-- that a combat cannot be won continuously shooting. And except champion, that was hoping an opportunity to demonstrate that not in vain it won, unquestionablily, to a Jorge full Fernandez of prestigious antecedents.

“Briscoe ignored punch of Monsoon and made specific its ferocious and implacable offensive punishing severely the body of pupilo of Brusa. It was evident that Monsoon felt the punishment, because its arrival to the corner, after sixth round, demonstrated that no longer it would find the way of a categorical definition, because the North American supported the blow of the santafesino and this one did not hit upon to look for another way hopelessly, taking itself in the hand-to-hand and “bending” whenever Briscoe placed its fists in the low line and, many also, in the face.

“The decision then, could not be other than the triumph of Briscoe. It weighs, like tenth, to that Monsoon placed several times its right without making an impression on the privileged humanity of the Yankee. It resisted the corner of both adversary: while Monsoon arrived solícitamente debilitated at his and taken care of by the seconds and dropping itself “when arriving at destiny”, Briscoe remained standing up in his, without taking water a single time; the buccal protector at any moment did not remove and rounds of the combat did not sit down either in its bench in the 10…

“I trace perfect was, round to round… To only we assigned to Monsoon 2º and 10º him, with 4 even ones and 4 for Briscoe, that if to some it does not like, could be 3… that is the points of advantage which we saw for the Yankee, to the margin, like tenth, of ridiculous sentimentalities that do not enter our journalistic work…”

 

i didnt understand the first translation so thanlks for doing it again

thanks for doing it again

 

Yes, all-round excellent work by the boy My2Sense.

 

The first line says
In a tough fight Bennie Briscoe did more than enough to deserve the decision.
Carlos Monzon, middleweight champion of Argentina drew with Bennie Briscoe, the judges scored 198-198, 197-197 and 198-197 Monzon.
I'll have a look at the rest later, going Christmas shopping now.
The problem with babel fish is that it is too literal and doesn't translate in context.

 

Great, that's the most important thing to know. Thanks. :good

 

AlFrancis took upon himself to learn Spanish after his old man was robbed in Barcelona vs Mimoun Ben Ali. He wrote to them calling them '*******os' and 'Maricons'.

 

There must be a tape of that fight somewhere in Argentina, but it's almost impossible to fins elsewhere. It sure must have been close to warrant a draw, and Briscoe no doubt must have felt sure that he won it, but boy, what a difference in Monzon in that rematch....

 

HaHa, I did think about it but now I'm married to a Spanish girl and am living in Spain.