Hopkins vs. Calzaghe: Punch By Punch

What was your general criteria for a scoring punch? What factors did you use to separate the quality Calzaghe shots from the glancing windmill flurries?

 

San Rafael you do good work man!!!!!!!!! I thought hops won easy but remember Calz is well loved in these parts so be careful.lol A lot of people who supported hops then said Calz won were the people who had their hopes up so high but hops didnt deliver the way they thought he should have so they said calz won. The first couple rounds looked as if hops was going to destroy calz but as the fight went on it got hella boring so the guy who continued to throw won some of hops supporters over. Probably why rumsfeld gave in???? Who knows?

 

This is truly sad. I feel very sorry for you San. Obviously you have too much free time on your hands. If it really bothers you that much, then go through the proper channels and file a complaint with NSAC. But don't fool yourself. You're not going to change anyone's mind with this garbage. If you're going to do something like this, at least do it with a fight that was closer and more entertaining like JMMvPac II or Vasquez/Marquez III or even PBF v DLH.

 

This is basically the fight I saw, though I was watching it with people who couldn't tell it was all shoeshine from Calzaghe.

The other thing the people around me were complaining about was Hopkins' holding and his reaction to the low blow which the HBO commentary tried to dismiss as acting.

Scoring for most people is a sort of emotional thing, and if they're not good at actually seeing what is going on in the ring, they just base it on facial expressions and the intensity of a person's movement as they are scuttling around the ring(Joe).

P.S. Thanks for taking the time to write this up, it confirms my belief about the fight.

 

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round 7

00:10 - calzaghe right hook upstairs

01:26 - hopkins counter jab upstairs

01:26 - calzaghe left hand upstairs

01:28 - hopkins right hand to body shot

01:51 - calzaghe jab upstairs

02:11 - hopkins left hook to the body

02:58 - hopkins counter right hand upstairs

hopkins - 4
calzaghe - 3

round 8

00:56 - calzaghe jab upstairs

00:59 - hopkins right hand to the body

01:18 - calzaghe left hand upstairs

01:22 - calzaghe right hook upstairs

01:26 - hopkins counter right hand upstairs

01:35 - hopkins left hook upstairs

01:38 - calzaghe left hook upstairs

01:44 - hopkins counter uppercut inside

01:48 - calzaghe right hook upstairs

01:48 - hopkins counter right hand upstairs

02:12 - hopkins counter right hand

02:20 - calzaghe right hook upstairs

02:24 - calzaghe jab upstairs

02:42 - calzaghe jab upstairs

02:42 - hopkins jab upstairs

02:56 -calzaghe right hook to the body

02:58 - calzaghe right hook upstairs

hopkins - 7
calzaghe - 10

round 9

00:10 - calzaghe right hook upstairs

00:14 - calzaghe left hand upstairs

00:27 - calzaghe sweeping left hand upstairs

00:35 - calzaghe left hand upstairs

00:54 - hopkins counter right hand inside

01:16 - hopkins counter left hook inside

01:56 - hopkins counter right hand

01:58 - calzaghe counter right hook

02:06 - calzaghe counter left hook

02:15 - calzaghe right hook inside

02:30 - calzaghe left hook upstairs

02:31 - hopkins counter right hook inside (x2)

02:38 -calzaghe left hand upstairs

02:39 - calzaghe jab upstairs

02:42 - calzaghe jab upstairs

02:52 - calzaghe right hook to the body

02:54 - hopkins uppercut inside

02:57 - calzaghe left hook to the body

hopkins -6
calzaghe - 13

round 10

00:05 - hopkins right hand to the body

00:42 - hopkins left/right hooks to the body (2)

00:58 - hopkins right hand upstairs

01:11 - hopkins right hand to the body

01:22 - hopkins right hand upstairs

01:39 - hopkins counter left hook

02:33 - hopkins right hand to the body

02:34 - calzaghe counter right hook inside

02:35 - hopkins right hand upstairs

02:58 - calzaghe right hook inside

hopkins - 9
calzaghe - 2

round 11

00:33 - hopkins jab upstairs

00:35 - calzaghe right hook upstairs

00:55 - calzaghe jab upstairs

01:09 - calzaghe left hand upstairs

01:19 - hopkins right hand upstairs

01:35 - hopkins right hand to the body

01:52 - hopkins right hand to the body

02:08 - hopkins counter right hand inside

02:36 - calzaghe right hook upstairs

02:38 - hopkins left hook to the body

02:51 - hopkins counter right hand upstairs

hopkins - 7
calzaghe - 4


round 12

00:21 - hopkins counter right hand upstairs

00:23 - hopkins right hand to the body

00:48 - calzaghe counter right hook upstairs

01:07 - hopkins counter right hand upstairs

01:08 - calzaghe counter left hand upstairs

01:18 - calzaghe counter right hook upstairs

01:19 - calzaghe left hand upstairs

01:38 - calzaghe jab/left hand upstairs (2)

01:51 - calzaghe right hook inside

01:52 - hopkins left hook inside

02:08 - calzaghe jab upstairs

02:10 - hopkins counter uppercut inside

02:27 - hopkins left hand to the body

02:37 - hopkins right hand to the body

hopkins - 7
calzaghe - 8



Brilliant thread. Exactly what I have been trying to convey to the Calzaghe Compubox masses for months - Calzaghe hardly landed any clean punches throughout the entire evening, and no significant punches. His flurrying was ineffective to the point of impotent, Hopkins showed he was a far more skilled fighter with a far better defence, and a far more accurate, incisive, clever and powerful puncher. If Hopkins hadn't been hampered by the obvious stamina issues at age 43, he would've strolled this fight, he is on another level to Calzaghe in terms of boxing ability.

The judges scored this fight on workrate/activity/quantity, and I have always believed this is the wrong way to score a fight. If workrate is ineffective, it is the other guys' defence which is succeeding and not your attacks. Points should only be awarded for clean and effective punching.

Hopkins won this fight. I truly believe that. And he would win a rematch if Calzaghe had the balls to put himself through another torrid evening with a Master Boxer. But he doesn't, he won't risk it because he escaped with the decision first time round. No, the Calzaghes don't believe in rematches after all (Mario Veit??? atsch).

 

Baseless conjecture. Most of the people replying are not Calzaghe fans, and where did you pluck the "most hated and least respected fans in the world" from?
In your house perhaps.

 

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This win for Calzaghe REALLY hurts people, eh?

 

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Judges don't get to watch fights multiple times, with tv angles, replays and slow mo.

Fights are scored for more than just effective punching.

Even if Hopkins outlanded Joe with scoring shots, Joe handidly beat hopkins in aggression and ring generalship, whereas Hopkins would get the nod in defence and fouling. Plenty of scorers won't give a round to someone who tries to fake and cheat their way through it.

Watching the fight myself I thought Hopkins landed the better shots but they never stopped Calzaghe coming forward, stop throwing or hurt Joe significantly. So they may have been clean punches, but they weren't that effective. Joe's glancing shots didn't hurt hopkins but clearly took him out of his comfort zone and did to him what Winky, Tarver and Pavlik couldn't, and in that way at least were effective.

Simple numbers do not tell a whole story.