Angelo Dundee - De la Hoya was not over-trained...

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  1. enzo

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    http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/6456/sage-sweet-science/


    RM: Ok great, well you know that it is always my pleasure to speak with you. Let me start by asking you about De la Hoya. It has been two weeks since the big fight. What can you tell me about the experience of working with the Golden Boy?

    AD: I had such a great time at that De la Hoya thing. I had a ball. He is such a nice guy. And, the Golden Boy people, top to bottom, they are class.

    RM: Really?

    AD: Yeah, I really, really, had a great time I swear to God. They were training up there at Big Bear Mountain. We drove to the mountain at night. Thank God we went at night because if I had to go up there during the day I would have probably hesitated, because it is a big, big, mountain.

    RM: Well, what was the training atmosphere like? How did De la Hoya look going into the fight, from your point of view?

    AD: Well, I got up there, and the first thing I noticed was that this kid was so happy training there. You see, he had not trained there in a few years. My God, did the guy train.

    RM: So what happened?

    AD: Well, what happened was: shoulda, woulda, coulda, you can’t look back. The kid was in great shape. So he wasn’t the winner that night. That is the way I put it. There are no excuses, nothing. The better fighter that night won, Manny Pacquiao.

    RM: But do you think that De la Hoya over-trained?

    AD: Ah, no, no, he trained the way he wanted to train. See, De la Hoya is a happy guy in the gym. I was impressed. Let me tell you, I was impressed about the way this kid handles people. The kid was handling everything at the gym, speaking kindly with people, and then working out again. He is a remarkable kid. I could see why he has been so popular. I had never been on the scene before with De la Hoya. In fact, I had never been on the scene with Pacquiao or De la Hoya. I was impressed.

    RM: So overall, the experience was good, but it was not exactly the result you were hoping for.

    AD: Oh God no, I thought Oscar had the style to win, I said that before. I just felt like he was big enough, and tough enough. Oscar fought tough guys throughout his career. I watched this kid fight many, many times in L.A. when I would go there with my fighters. Everyone would go watch him because he would be fighting the toughest guys. Going into to the fight, I knew that Pacquiao was a tough guy. But I felt, if De la Hoya was fighting tough guys his entire career, then he would know how to handle this tough guy. But Pacquiao is more than that. He is slick, smart, and quick, with hands and feet.

    RM: Of course.

    AD: I just felt like De la Hoya was going to win. I tried, you know, with the little input I could give, I felt good about it. But it did not turn out that way. The best laid plans of mice and men, that’s life.

    RM: Yeah, can you breakdown the fight for me?

    AD: I felt bad…. I felt bad that he couldn’t pull the trigger. He was ready to do everything. His right hand counter in the gym was magnificent. He would have hit that guy with it. But he didn’t fire it, you know. Why didn’t he fire it? Who the hell knows? I mean, his jab started out good, then, it disappeared. In the end, you got to give credit where credit is due. Pacquiao is a great fighter.

    RM: I have to ask you one more question about this De la Hoya thing; did you see anything happen in the corner that you could have done any better?

    AD: Look, Nacho is a good trainer. He and De la Hoya hit it off fine. Oscar’s brother Joel is a boxing guy. Even Joe, the cut man, he is a good boxing guy as well. You see, you can’t look for kinks or faults, what happened, happened. Yeah, you never second guess, I do not go that route.

    RM: Do you think De la Hoya should retire for good?

    AD: That is hard to say. I think when it comes around to those kinds of things, it has to come from the source. Let me tell you, he is a real intelligent kid, he is a family man, I met his wife, and I met his kids. He is just a good guy. I was pleased with the acquaintance. The people at Golden Boy were so nice to me. I would do that trip anytime. Hey, you know, things are going great with my book. It is about to go paperback.
     
  2. harrison

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    i guess so much for the excuses of "over trained" or perhaps "walking corpse"

    hypothesis. :D
     
  3. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    Oscar was not over-trained he was "shot" :yep


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  4. Jbuz

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    Who said he overtrained?

    The argument (and fact) is weight drained. He hadn't fought there in 7 (?) years. And instead of working down to the weight and coming in heavy, he was at weight for far too long. Ridiculous!

    But as Dundee said, Pacquiao deserves loads of credit.
     
  5. enzo

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    I have the same shirt with your avy. :good
     
  6. enzo

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    Nacho said he wasn't drained.... :D

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  7. Nestea

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    No Oscar is...

    Weight Drained
    Shot
    Old
    Kangaroo Meat f*ck him up
    Oyster Sh*t him up
    Bad game plan
    Wrong gloves
    Pac was not letting giving him free hit
    forgot the scripts
    wrong trainer
    can't pull the trigger
    gave it to Pac
     
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  9. Nestea

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    Coz Hoya didn't ate the cheezecake!
     
  10. enzo

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    Nacho is a liar then... :good
     
  11. Jbuz

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    Possibly.

    There is no way a trainer will come out and say, "yeah my guy was drained".

    But seriously, you can't ignore the facts in this regard... can you imagine Pacquiao in 2013 going back to lightweight/super feather and fighting the best fighter in the world?

    Pacquiao was clearly the better fighter on the night, but the victory (or moreso, Oscar's defeat) can't be overstated because of these facts.
     
  12. harrison

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    paarbor naman :D

    maybe oyster poisoning?? :yep
     
  13. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    maybe before the fight... but after? :think

    here's one reason why oscar lost... :D

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107421
     
  14. Nestea

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    Everyone KO's Pacquiao from the day he was born till the day he gets old.

    damn I forgot, Almost every boxer have KO'ed him already....






















































    In the fantasy world...
     
  15. Jbuz

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