Calzaghe or Hamed - who has the better legacy?

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Could Hatton go above Calzaghe, if he goes on for a couple more years?

Bearing in mind the superfights that are available?

 

Honestly, comments like this boggle the mind. Hamed turned in the best all-round performance of his career against the toughest opponent he had faced in Mar 2000 against Bungu, and less than a year later fought Barrera, the first elite opponent of his career, a much much better boxer than Bungu or Kelley or Steve ****ing Robinson or any of them. Had Hamed fought a Robinson or anyone else from his own resume that night instead of Barrera, he would've won in style yet again. The reason he didn't is not because he didn't train hard enough nor because Brendan Ingle wasn't in his corner nor any other excuse, the reason he didn't is that for the very first time in his career he fought a fighter with the brains and the class and the freshness and the skills to expose the flaws that had always always been there in the Prince. Had Hamed fought Morales or Barrera in 1996-7, the result would have been the same. They would have watched him on tape, saw him looking sensational against lower-level opponents (as he still was by 2000 I might add), but noticed all the flaws and the mistakes that were going unpunished, and would've went in there and done the job.

Fighters are always shadows of themselves when they meet superior fighters and are thoroughly outclassed. Is Kelly Pavlik a shadow of himself now? Hamed met a superior fighter. End of story.

 

TGH and co....great thread with some good debating going on. Just goes to show that arguments can be won and lost (or drawn) without resorting to personal attacks and hateful scorn. Cheers.

 

If Hatton beats Pacquiao and unifies his division before he retires, he could be ranked higher than Joe. However, I don't think Ricky will beat Pacquiao.

 

If Hatton beat Pacquiao it would be real close.

If he then went on to win a rematch with Mayweather then he would definitely overtake Calzaghe.

 

A couple years ago I would've said Hamed.

Now I say Calzaghe.

 

Might be? Surely if he was to beat Pac and FMJ (Mission Impossible, I know) he'd be regarded as one of the greatest fighters the UK has ever produced?

 

Their resumes are pretty similar, and although Joe is more talented than Hatton (beyond question) Ricky's accomplishments may exceed Joe's.

I don't buy Hatton's BS about beating Pac to be #1 P4P - though it is probably due to the fact that Ricky isn't the sharpest and doesn't realise that P4P #1 is an honour rather than a title.

It would be interesting to do a comparison on their respective resumes, and see who comes out on top...........

 

I know this argument has been done to death so no point in carrying it on too much but in my opinion he was a shadow of his former self before Barrera. Watch the documentary on the fight if you want, it's plain to see there that Hamed couldn't be less bothered about the fight.

He was impressive against Bungu (I think he finished him with a perfect straight left if I remember rightly) but he still weren't the same Hamed that fought Robinson for example. The signs were there in the Sanchez fight where he took a lot of unneccessary shots before putting him on a stretcher.

I still say to this day that a prime, 100% focused and determined Hamed would have taken Barrera.

 

If he won a rematch with Mayweather he would be a lock for a British P4P top 5.

Don't see it happening though!