Duran, Hagler, Leonard, Hearns. Ranking in categories

Handspeed.

1. Leonard
2. Hearns
3. Duran
Hagler

Footspeed.

1. Leonard
2. Duran
3. hagler
hearns


Power.

1. Hearns
2. Duran
3. Leonard
Hagler


Jab.

1. Hearns
2. Hagler
3. Leonard
4. Duran

Body punching and to ability fight inside.

1. Duran
2. leonard
3. Hagler
4. Hearns

Defense all round.

1. Duran
2. Leonard
Hagler
3. Hearns

Chin; ability to absorb punches and recover from a knockdown.

1. Hagler
2. Duran
3. Leonard
4. Hearns

Intelligence; ring generalship and tactics.

1. Duran
2. Leonard
3. Hagler
4. Hearns

A fair few of these aren't really cases of clear cut gaps between each entry i'd say.

 

Are we rating in a P4P sense or all at middleweight?

 

I'll give it a try.

Handspeed.
Hearns

Footspeed.
Leonard

Power
Hagler


Jab.
Hagler

Body punching and to ability fight inside.
Hagler

Defense all round.
Hagler

Chin; ability to absorb punches and recover from a knockdown.
What knockdowns?

Hagler


Intelligence; ring generalship and tactics.
Hagler

PS: This involved no bias whatsoever. Trust me

 

Each man at their best

Handspeed.

1. Leonard
2. Hearns
3. Duran
4. Hagler

Footspeed.

1. Leonard
2. Duran
3. Hearns
4. Hagler

Power.

1. Hearns
2. Duran
3. Hagler
4. Leonard

Jab.

1. Hagler
2. Hearns
3. Leonard
4. Duran

Bodypunching and ability to fight inside.

1. Duran (clearly)
2. Feel that Leonard and Hagler were roughly equal in this department
3. Hearns (excellent bodypuncher, but not as good of an in-fighter as the others)


Defense all-around.

1. Duran
2. Leonard
3. Hagler
4. Hearns

Chin, ability to absorb punishment and recover from a knockdown.

1. Hagler
2. Duran
3. Leonard
4. Hearns

Intelligence/Ring Generalship.

1. Leonard
2. Duran
3. Hagler
4. Hearns

 

You were dead on. There is no way p4p Hagler hits harder than Hearns, and Tommy's jab is by far the superior, possibly top 5 p4p of all time?

 

Handspeed.
1. Hearns
2. Leonard
3. Duran
4. Hagler

Footspeed.
1. Leonard
2. Duran
3. Hearns
4. Hagler

Power.
1. Hearns
2. Duran
3. Hagler
4. Leonard

Jab.
1. Hearns
2. Hagler
3. Leonard
4. Duran

Body punching and to ability fight inside.
1. Duran
2. Hagler
3. Leonard
4. Hearns

Defense all round.
1. Duran
2. Leonard
3. Hagler
3. Hearns

Chin; ability to absorb punches and recover from a knockdown.
1. Hagler
2. Duran
3. Leonard
4. Hearns

A. Intelligence; B. ring generalship and C. tactics.
1. Duran
2. Leonard *I'd give Duran the nod with A and B, and Leonard gets C.
3. Hagler
4. Hearns

 

The only significant change I'd have in any of these lists is a higher rating for Leonard in the power category. Second only to Hearns in a P4P sense, IMO. He had true knockout power.

 

why his jab is superior to Haglers? Even in the Hearns fight, Hagler's jab seemed much stronger.

He didnt really unload it until the 3rd.

Hagler was smart. he would step outside of Tommy's reach and score from Tommy's blind side. It could be seen snapping his head back late in the fight if you know where to look and Tommy's didnt really work on Hagler being that he was a southpaw. This is something most people here still don't realize, even today.

Also, the 55 stitches in Hamsho's face, the cutting of Sibson's face with those 3 consecutive jabs convinced me Hagler has the most effective jab of all four and ranks even above that of Holmes, and even Camacho.

Hagler' knockout stats also overshadow Hearns'. Going into the Hearns fight he was 60-2-2 with 50 knockouts, many of them early. I was there at MSG the night he dropped Hamsho, dubbed boxing's best chin by KO magazine in 1984.

Robbi left out one crucial category which you never see in articles when considering the outcome of a fight-the ability to set the pace of a fight.

If you can set a pace, this means you control the pace of the fight and the other boxer can't keep up with you for very long. This is why many young upcoming boxers feast upon those who have already had their careers and have slowed.

Hagler lead in this catagory. he was like another well known fighter from Brockton-Marciano, but with the added versatility. It was well known that he would begin quickly and would barely slow. This was after the Antuofuermo fight. Described by Barry Tompkins as "an inhuman pace" (Hamsho 1) "very much up tempo" (Scypion) and "What a pace!" in the Hearns fight.

Even Hamsho was barely able to take advantage if Hagler slowed it down a notch. The only other two middleweights I saw that compared in this catagory were Animal Fletcher and Roldan. Also Ray Mancini.

Marvin set a pace his competitors could not keep up with. Even when Hearns reached his prime he could not keep it up long past the 1st round. By round 2 he was already wilting and stumbling back while at a much slower pace, lasted 14 with Sugar Ray.

Hagler absolutely rules in this area which is another reason he excelled in fights.

 

Leonard hit harder than Hagler or Duran? I can't see that p4p or in the literal sense.