Pacquiao a 7 weight world champ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by colinthfc, Dec 27, 2008.


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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    5 Weight Champ, 2 weight Linear, Linear and Ring at 126 and 130, Linear trumps alphabets
     
    PowerPuncher, Dec 28, 2008
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  2. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    What makes for a WORLD CHAMP anyway??? Does the RING have a legitimate claimantcy anymore???

    The times are so different. A Londsdale belt was presented to any fighter who defended his Empire Title on 3 occassions..... The ring belt was given to any legitimate title holder... both WBA, WBC who defended successfully. The Ring Belt now?? Whats the nostalgic situaion? Please inform me.

    Pac should be in position to wins titles at jWW/ WW...... God knows. Unify a title, thats the show of class.
     
    flamengo, Dec 28, 2008
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  3. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    3 weight linear. (112, 126, 130)
     
    PH|LLA, Dec 28, 2008
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  4. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pac has more claim to being a champ at 126 than any other weight outside 130. How can you say he wasn't champ at that weight? He beat MAB who was the champ, Linear & Ring & only reason he didn't have ABC belt is cos he was stripped not cos he lost it in the ring. On top of that he tried to unify with unified champ JMM and came out with a draw due to judging error (admitted).
     
    dangerousity, Dec 28, 2008
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  5. colinthfc

    colinthfc Guest

    Based on the replies to my post he is either a 4 or 5 weight champion depending on opinions.

    Many of you focus on whether he was a linear champ at the weight. I think this argument is flawed because focusing on this alone can be distorting or misleading e.g. Shannon Briggs was a linear heavy weight champ for a time, but where is he in heavy weight history.

    The ring magazine belt was discounted as a championship by some of you. If you are correct this would mean Joe Calzaghe was not a 2 weight Champ, and the likes of Zsolt Erdei would have more legitimacy.

    Then we look at whether he held an alphabetical belts at a weight. This is where arguments can drift into the absurdity. The '5 weight champ' Sugar Ray Leonard. Would you honestly count the 2 for the price of 1 Super Middle and Light Heavy weight WBC fight against Donny Lalonde, if not he would be down to 3. What about Thomas Hearns the WBO was not recognised by all when he won and defended their Super Middle belt? If you do count it, why not also count is WBU and IBO titles at Cruiser?

    I am firmly of the view Pacquiao is a current 5 weight world champ who has spanned 7 weight classes, but even if the alphabetical bodies/Ring magazine awarded him titles at Super Fly and Bantom this would be no more absurd than what I have discussed above.
     
    colinthfc, Dec 29, 2008
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  6. FiveStoneFists

    FiveStoneFists Member Full Member

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    Barrera also beat Morales for the WBC title after he had beaten Naz for the WBO (stripped of all other belts). These were the two belts Barrera refused to pay sanctioning fees for.
     
    FiveStoneFists, Dec 29, 2008
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  7. Superheavyweight

    Superheavyweight Guest

    If the sport wasn’t so ****ed up (in everyway) then he would have been champ in these 5 divisions, if you get me.

    Welterweight
    Lightweight
    Featherweight
    Bantamweight
    Flyweight

    Can he beat Hatton and Mayweather?
     
    Superheavyweight, Dec 29, 2008
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  8. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    winning titles means ****, **** what those corrupted sanctioned bodies think.

    what counts is pacman beating someone worthy in another division :yep
     
    Bad_Intentions, Dec 29, 2008
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  9. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ummm, didn't he beat david diaz for the wbc title? :hey
     
    Bad_Intentions, Dec 29, 2008
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  10. Superheavyweight

    Superheavyweight Guest

    True, but was he undisputed?

    The WBC Flyweight - WBC Lightweight Champion thing is what I’m talking about.

    Would he be good enough to win the WBC Welterweight Title?
     
    Superheavyweight, Dec 29, 2008
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  11. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It annoys me when people ignore Pac featherweight title, it holds more legitamacy than any of his other abc belts... I dont consider him a light weight champion at all.:bart
     
    jc, Dec 29, 2008
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  12. sitiyzal

    sitiyzal ................. Full Member

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    Pacquiao was the champion at featherweight. The shitty abc or ring belts don't even come into it. How is that so hard to understand?
     
    sitiyzal, Dec 29, 2008
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  13. viperguy

    viperguy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pac put in some of his best work in the Featherweight division. How can people not say he was champ at that division. Lucky he didn't stop at 115 and 118 or else he might have been a 7 weight division champ.
     
    viperguy, Dec 29, 2008
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